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    Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    When Bates left I absolutely hated him. When I heard the accusations of Chizik treating him poorly I thought that couldn't be true. But now that we have seen Chizik for what he is was Bates right? I say it helps his case but I still don't like him... any thoughts?



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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    He's still a QUITTER in my book. Look at Christensen in Iowa, he had every reason to quit after he lost the starting job to Stanzi but he didn't complain and he still put his work in and left on good terms.


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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    It's possible, but Bates moved on. Chizik moved on. Now we should really move on. Wish him well at Ohio.


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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    It's possible, but Bates moved on. Chizik moved on. Now we should really move on. Wish him well at Ohio.
    Amen thier both quitters and gone, good for them, and good for us



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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    Yes he's a traitor, just like wesley johnson and gene chizik



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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    Either way he wouldn't have made people happy. It's unfortunate the way it went down but I hold no ill will towards him like I do with GC and WJ. Phillip was between a rock and a hard place and if he wanted to be a starting qb this wasn't the place.

    I am interested to see what he can do at Ohio in two seasons and wish the kid the best.


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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    Not a traitor, but a quitter. You don't quit midyear on your teammates.



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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    We had many people leave the bball backdoor...


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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    He's not the first, nor the last to leave a program and transfer. I have no hard feelings toward him and will root for him at Ohio. I always liked the kid while he was here. He was terribly mis-managed by the previous staff and I'm not surprised he did what he did. They had no business using him at WR as a freshman and they led him on last year with this crap of "we have 2 legit starting QBs, but AA is going to take the first snap, but it doesn't mean anything!!). That's a poor way to handle things by Chizik and his staff, IMO. Be truthful with the kid.



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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    Wish PB all the luck in the world. He actually won a game for us.


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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by isuno1fan View Post
    Not a traitor, but a quitter. You don't quit midyear on your teammates.
    My thoughts exactly.


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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    I have a lot less harsher of a view on the kid now than I did at the time he left. It seemed pretty clear that he was not as good of a QUARTERBACK than Arnaud was. If playing qb was his goal, between Arnaud and Tiller, he'd likely never be the starter here. Plus, we all know what a great guy Chizik was. I think it's a bit selfish, but that doesn't mean he's a bad guy. His ultimate responsibility is to himself and his personal goals, not to us. He didn't lie to anyone, or feed them a line of ****, like Chizik did. His timing was awful, but thats the worst of it.


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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    I was more upset about the timing than I was about him just leaving. He wanted to start, and I'm willing to bet his father only made things worse. In football, one guy doesn't make the team. At least not to the degree that they can in basketball. I still intend to hold a grudge against WJ, but Bates? I don't hate him, I don't like him; I nothing him at this point.



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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    Traitor is way too strong for a young man who is just starting to learn to make decisions. I wish he had made a different one, but he didn't, and I wish him well at Ohio.



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    Re: Should Bates still be considered a traitor?

    From all that you hear he is a very likable young man and he just wanted to play qb. It was pretty clear that he was not going to beat out AA, at least in the offense that ISU was running. I see no need for hate here. I wish he would have stayed at ISU, but in the end, it is his life, his choice, and his future.



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