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    Electric cars

    Since everyone here has no problem putting in their two cents worth, I thought this forum would be a great place to check out peoples' perceptions and potential demand.

    We were having a discussion today at work about electric cars and how up to this point the technology hasn't been able to offer anything overly useable or affordable. Then it evolved on to where some of the prototypes are today as it appears they are closing in on commercial viability.

    So I'll ask you to join in where our debate ended.

    Would you consider purchasing a 6 or seven passenger highway speed electric vehicle with a top speed of, say 70 mph with a range of 250 miles between charges? If so, what would you be willing to pay? $30k? $40K? More? Less? What would be your buying motivations? Economics? Environmentalism? Both?

    For those of you who like to throw a hard pencil at things, figure an electricity cost of 2 cents per mile and a $5000 tax credit.


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    Re: Electric cars

    I could be interested in a NICE* 5 passenger midsize version of that, say around $25,000 if you include the tax credit.

    70mph top speed is a little lacking though. I'd like to see at least 80 mph.

    *I do not consider Prius nice. Something with a nice interior and leather seating.

    Probably too much to ask, because its tough finding a normal car like that for 25K.



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    Re: Electric cars

    Quote Originally Posted by usedcarguy View Post
    Since everyone here has no problem putting in their two cents worth, I thought this forum would be a great place to check out peoples' perceptions and potential demand.

    We were having a discussion today at work about electric cars and how up to this point the technology hasn't been able to offer anything overly useable or affordable. Then it evolved on to where some of the prototypes are today as it appears they are closing in on commercial viability.

    So I'll ask you to join in where our debate ended.

    Would you consider purchasing a 6 or seven passenger highway speed electric vehicle with a top speed of, say 70 mph with a range of 250 miles between charges? If so, what would you be willing to pay? $30k? $40K? More? Less? What would be your buying motivations? Economics? Environmentalism? Both?

    For those of you who like to throw a hard pencil at things, figure an electricity cost of 2 cents per mile and a $5000 tax credit.
    I don't like spending more than $12,000 for a car...so I'm not one that would buy new. I probably wouldn't trust a used one, either.



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    Re: Electric cars

    Make it a 5 passenger, 75 mph (I like to cruise at 72) 250 mile/charge vehicle priced at $28672 with a 10 year battery warranty and I'd consider it. But is that feasible?



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    Re: Electric cars

    I wonder what would happen to the price and demand for electricity would be if everyone in the US drove an electric car.



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    Re: Electric cars

    Make it a normal looking car (not like the Prius and a lot of hybrids) and I'm sure it'd sell better.



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    Re: Electric cars

    A box with wheels, canvas seats, $5000, or forget it.

    "creature comforts" and "style" on anything but fun cars just annoy me.


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    Re: Electric cars

    No. Smart cars can go faster than that. Plus, it could potentially be a safety hazard for your car not to go fast in certain situations.


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    Re: Electric cars

    nope.

    1.it is 2 cents a mile till all of the hippies buy them, and then electricity for EVERYTHING will go up.

    2. I couldnt even drive all the way home without recharging.

    3. i dont go much over 70, but i rarely drive under 70 on the interstate.

    4. for anything over 10 g's, i would buy a decent used truck.



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    Re: Electric cars

    Quote Originally Posted by ajk4st8 View Post
    I wonder what would happen to the price and demand for electricity would be if everyone in the US drove an electric car.
    Demand UP and price UP more, IMO.

    Right now there is not really a surplus of affordable megawatts on the open market. Most of the base and spinning reserves are the cheapest running plants and the peaking power comes from the plants that cost too much to run on a normal basis. In fact, some of it runs at a net loss, even when the prices are inflated. For instance, the normal spot price for power is around $20/Mw and that's the target everyone uses, but when demand skyrockets during peak periods (like summer), the price can go to $200/Mw. Even at that price some of the peaking plants are running at a loss, just to make sure Aunt Bea doesn't lose her air conditioner to a black out.

    There's a reason there's a push for new nuclear and it's because it's cleaner than anything else out there that is reliable AND because once it's built, it runs very cheaply compared to coal/gas/oil plants. The other part is because there are shortages or near-term projected shortages in the areas where demand is the highest. Coincidentally, these same high demand areas are also the target rich audiences for the electric car market.

    If the use of electric cars goes up significantly, it really doesn't do much for the environment. Between the heavy mining that goes on for the metals needed for today's long lasting batteries, and the $$ and environmental cost of producing electricity cheaply and the disposal cost for the batteries, nuke waste, etc…. electric cars aren't really the answer. Now hydrogen fuel cells….? That is where it starts getting interesting.


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    Re: Electric cars

    A year ago you would have gotten a different answer from a lot of people. I would buy the car you describe and use it for work. I would need a little more top speed but that's about it. Unfortunately the product you describe doesn't exist. Chevy has the Volt and that's going to be $35K and they are still going to lose money on them. It also can't go anywhere close to 250 miles without a charge.



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    Re: Electric cars

    I would like a Hummer H1 electric version. I would like a range of 250 miles and a price tag under 50K.



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    Re: Electric cars

    I need a vehicle that seats 12, can tow 35,000 lbs, gets >47 mpg, tops out at about 197 mph and goes 0 - 60 in <5 seconds. And I won't spend a dime more than $9,999 for it. Until the day that vehicle rolls off the truck, I'll keep driving my trusty rusty Ford-olet that gets 8 mpg, belches smoke and doesn't accelerate, brake or handle well, has no airbags or ABS but has some SWEET 35" mudders so it's more likely to roll over.



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    Re: Electric cars

    The car that could save Detroit:



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    Re: Electric cars

    Honestly I would consider it based on the price. It would be strictly a commuting car for me (I drive ~40 miles per day round-trip). I think one of the big hangups is that while most folks rarely drive more than 250 miles in one trip, on the occasions that you do you'd have to stop for what, 4 hours to recharge? A gas electric combo (uses electric until dead, then switches to gas for either drive power or onboard electricity generation) is a better solution since it would allow you to take a long trip without stopping every 3 - 4 hours. As stated earlier, I think hydrogen is a better solution as a fuel source thought there are some issues with seperating the H2 from all the other "stuff" as well.



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