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    question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    why do we not crash the offensive boards. At most we have one guy rebounding and release the other four. I understand getting back for transition defense but to me getting that rebound and breaking the defenses spirit and getting second chance points outweighs the having guys back all the time. Is this Greg's philosophy all the time or is it something we will see change as the athletism and personel change. Rebounding is about heart and determination and it is the one part of his coaching that drives me nuts and I don't get it. Rebounding is to important to just not go after it. Thoughts?



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    The last 2 games we have "crashed" the offensive boards more than any other game. We've had more points the last couple of games than we've had before (in the B12).

    Why we weren't seeing it sooner, I don't know.



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    I thought I was on crack earlier this season when I saw only guy on the offensive boards. I cannot believe this is the philosophy of the coaching staff. There are lots of points potentially lost each game because of this.

    You always maintain a defensive balance with at least one guy releasing back on D after the shot, sometimes two, you should never do it with 4 on a consistant basis.

    I cannot believe how much I saw this still occurring in the last game with OSU even. I really think it needs to stop. 2-8 in a down Big 12 proves this philosophy does not work.



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    Agreed. I don't know why you give away all those potential points. I like Gmac, but I just need this answered because this makes me almost sick when I see it all game long



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    I've been wondering this myself. I assume that McDermott values setting up the defense and preventing fast breaks over 2nd chance points, but you would think at least one or two guys could get in there after it. A lot of times there are three opponents and zero Cyclones rebounding our misses.



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    Quote Originally Posted by thedayafter View Post
    why do we not crash the offensive boards. At most we have one guy rebounding and release the other four. I understand getting back for transition defense but to me getting that rebound and breaking the defenses spirit and getting second chance points outweighs the having guys back all the time. Is this Greg's philosophy all the time or is it something we will see change as the athletism and personel change. Rebounding is about heart and determination and it is the one part of his coaching that drives me nuts and I don't get it. Rebounding is to important to just not go after it. Thoughts?
    Two things are dictating the offensive rebounding...Opponent and our personnel. Teams that we are worried about transition...we are going to drop 3. Also, there are times where we just don't have good rebounders on the floor. Booze, Brackins, Hamilton, maybe JVB(not inside much) Usually only two of those guys are on the floor at the same time...Who else would you send?



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    Shooting so many threes, one would think we could get some more long rebounds than we do...


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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Shooting so many threes, one would think we could get some more long rebounds than we do...

    They have a funny way of bouncing weird. I shake my head at this. Say Lucca shoots a long three from the left side, somehow the ball wont bounce, it just thuds and then drops into the opponents hands. Its weird.



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Shooting so many threes, one would think we could get some more long rebounds than we do...
    Well, we are almost never going to send the point gaurd or Lucca...So, who else are you going to send?



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    Quote Originally Posted by kg-cyclone View Post
    Well, we are almost never going to send the point gaurd or Lucca...So, who else are you going to send?
    Send Pete. No size but a nose for the ball!



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsonjj View Post
    Send Pete. No size but a nose for the ball!
    So all this discussion about offensive rebounding and all we have is to send a guard that is under 6' and slow?



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    Boozer is the only one who has the hops to have a chance at getting an offensive rebound. But it's hard to do sitting on the bench.



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    Quote Originally Posted by kg-cyclone View Post
    Two things are dictating the offensive rebounding...Opponent and our personnel. Teams that we are worried about transition...we are going to drop 3. Also, there are times where we just don't have good rebounders on the floor. Booze, Brackins, Hamilton, maybe JVB(not inside much) Usually only two of those guys are on the floor at the same time...Who else would you send?
    Love your info KG but I have to respectfully disagree on this topic. I thoroughly believe the lack of offensive rebounding is due to Mac's system. Here is a look at Mac's history of offensive rebounding using the stats from kenpom.com (numbers given are national rank):

    2004 UNI: 313/344
    2005 UNI: 311/344
    2006 UNI: 305/344
    2007 ISU: 141/344
    2008 ISU: 297/344
    2009 ISU: 340/344

    Even Mac's successful UNI teams were terrible at offensive rebounding. Interesting how ISU has gotten progressively worse at it under Mac as well. On a positive note, all his teams have been top 50 in not giving up offensive rebounds to the other team.



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    We don't even try for offensive rebounds. There have been losse balls that have bounced right by our guys but they are too worried about getting back to notice. Against K-State we had 4 drop from the second a shot went up, that doesn't even give you a chance to have one randomly drop in your lap...



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    Re: question for kgClone about offensive rebounding

    Quote Originally Posted by pthebutcher View Post
    Love your info KG but I have to respectfully disagree on this topic. I thoroughly believe the lack of offensive rebounding is due to Mac's system. Here is a look at Mac's history of offensive rebounding using the stats from kenpom.com (numbers given are national rank):

    2004 UNI: 313/344
    2005 UNI: 311/344
    2006 UNI: 305/344
    2007 ISU: 141/344
    2008 ISU: 297/344
    2009 ISU: 340/344

    Even Mac's successful UNI teams were terrible at offensive rebounding. Interesting how ISU has gotten progressively worse at it under Mac as well. On a positive note, all his teams have been top 50 in not giving up offensive rebounds to the other team.
    I understand what you're saying, but I'm also giving people a chance to voice there opinion on what should be done differently. I know Mac wants to protect the basket...



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