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    Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    That was the case in January. Twenty-four soldiers are believed to have taken their lives last month. In January of 2008, there were four.


    "This is terrifying," an Army official said. "We do not know what is going on."


    www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/05/army.suicides/index.html



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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    I'm thinking the new mental health awareness in the Army in particular, may be leading to more treatment, which leads to more anti-depressant use, and anti-depressants are supposed to be linked to increased suicide.

    I'd like to see the breakdown in data; are the suicides newer recruits, or veterans with multiple deployments? Are they combat soldiers or FOBBITs?

    Post-Viet Nam, they reported all sorts of data like this, but in time, once the VN vet behavior was contrasted with society as a whole, the rate of suicide, anti-social behavior, etc. that is supposed to be linked to war-time service, was actually LOWER than society as a whole.

    Right now this is a statistical blip; we'll see reality down the road.


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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    I'm thinking the new mental health awareness in the Army in particular, may be leading to more treatment, which leads to more anti-depressant use, and anti-depressants are supposed to be linked to increased suicide.

    I'd like to see the breakdown in data; are the suicides newer recruits, or veterans with multiple deployments? Are they combat soldiers or FOBBITs?

    Post-Viet Nam, they reported all sorts of data like this, but in time, once the VN vet behavior was contrasted with society as a whole, the rate of suicide, anti-social behavior, etc. that is supposed to be linked to war-time service, was actually LOWER than society as a whole.

    Right now this is a statistical blip; we'll see reality down the road.

    I sure hope that number for January will be an abberation, like you pointed out, and not a trend.
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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    I'd like to see the breakdown in data; are the suicides newer recruits, or veterans with multiple deployments? Are they combat soldiers or FOBBITs?
    I forgot to ask in my first post, what is a FOBBIT?


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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by wesley_w View Post
    I forgot to ask in my first post, what is a FOBBIT?
    It is a Hobbit that has made an alternative life choice.



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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    When I did chaplaincy work for the Guard, I did a lot of deployment briefings at Camp Dodge. Part of that was the suicide prevention briefing.

    I blew that off as a soldier for 12 or 13 years, but it really struck home when I was called in 3 times in 2 weeks for immediate suicide prevention.

    I think this is a statistical anomaly as far as 28 goes, but there are a lot of things that go through a deployed soldiers' mind or events in their lives at home that bring this up.

    It does come up, and it's worth praying for these folks about.


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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by wesley_w View Post
    I forgot to ask in my first post, what is a FOBBIT?
    A way to describe us hard working Soldiers that keep the Combat units up and running with the beans and bullets along with taking care of the vehicles that keep them mobile.

    It is a term for those that spend the whole deployment on the FOB(Forward Operating Base) and don't have to venture out into the wild. I don't consider the Forward Support Companies FOBBITS so much since they are more forward in the battle then they used to be and as much as convoys are/were targeted in these latest conflicts.

    Phaedrus- I am doing my first JANUS exercise this weekend and am really enjoying it, you weren't involved with that in any way at Leavenworth were you?


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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    This is something that really concerns me, though as Phadreus said, it may be an anomaly. Whether it is or not, it certainly can't hurt for everyone who knows a soldier to give them and their families all the support and love that you can.



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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    I work for a company called Yellow Ribbon. We are a government contractor that has been put into place to set-up briefings for troops before and after they deploy. I just got back for a conference in St. Louis today where we were given briefings and such. Most of our speakers were from the NGB, National Guard Bureau, and there is a HUGE push to educate soldiers. Last year alone, Iowa had 9 suicides from Guard members. That's roughly 1/6 of ALL suicides from the Army, to include all 3 components. I hope that the seriousness of the situation pushes soldiers to really watch their buddy. Being in the Guard and this program really helps me understand the situation even more. I work in Stark Armory, JFHQ, and in my office also sits the Major in charge of suicide awareness for the state. It's becoming very overwhelming.



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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewo View Post
    I work for a company called Yellow Ribbon. We are a government contractor that has been put into place to set-up briefings for troops before and after they deploy. I just got back for a conference in St. Louis today where we were given briefings and such. Most of our speakers were from the NGB, National Guard Bureau, and there is a HUGE push to educate soldiers. Last year alone, Iowa had 9 suicides from Guard members. That's roughly 1/6 of ALL suicides from the Army, to include all 3 components. I hope that the seriousness of the situation pushes soldiers to really watch their buddy. Being in the Guard and this program really helps me understand the situation even more. I work in Stark Armory, JFHQ, and in my office also sits the Major in charge of suicide awareness for the state. It's becoming very overwhelming.
    Anything I can do, give me a call. I always took that to be the most important part of the mob briefing for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    Anything I can do, give me a call. I always took that to be the most important part of the mob briefing for me.
    That would be awesome. We are always looking for volunteers to help out with the different phases. If you would like, send me a PM with your contact info and I can pass it onto my chain.



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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by JHudd View Post

    Phaedrus- I am doing my first JANUS exercise this weekend and am really enjoying it, you weren't involved with that in any way at Leavenworth were you?
    I wrote the IED and Sniper play for that, if they choose to use it.


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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    I wrote the IED and Sniper play for that, if they choose to use it.
    We did have plenty of IED actions today and had some Sniper play in AL during the 3rd Iteration. I, as the acting FSC CO was not as actively involved in the scenario as others but still found the exercise to be extremely effective on all levels as well as the OCs running the show. So thank you for your part in this, those in the TOC that were the main focus of the exercise made tremendous improvements throughout the day.


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    Re: Army Deaths: More Suicide than in Combat?

    Sometimes when things start happening, people copy the act. Real sad.


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