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    Production from upperclassmen...

    This is the percentage of each team's ppg coming from upperclassmen (juniors and seniors), using only upperclassmen off of the top 8 players list cybsball20 was so kind to provide...
    If you believe losing Jacy Holloway has the same impact on a team as losing Dedric Willoughby (they both played similar minutes per game)...this is not for you.

    Ranked from least production to most...

    1. IOWA STATE 26%
    2. Colorado 29%
    3. Kansas 30%
    4. Kansas State 37%
    5. Texas Tech 38%
    6. Oklahoma 46%
    7. Oklahoma State 56%
    8. Baylor 68%
    9. Missouri 69%
    10. Nebraska 70%
    11. Texas A&M 72%
    12. Texas 74%



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    Here's a similar stat through Tuesday's games using a different methodology. The methodology is the same as I used for minutes per game in the "youth" thread (http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/...tml#post882460). Higher numbers mean more points coming from older players.

    SCHOOL... ALL....... CONF
    BAY...... 3.01...... 2.94
    NEB...... 2.93...... 2.93
    TX....... 2.96...... 2.87
    OKST..... 2.78...... 2.87
    AM....... 2.78...... 2.77
    MO....... 2.76...... 2.70
    TT....... 2.61...... 2.66
    OKL...... 2.42...... 2.60
    KSTATE... 2.37...... 2.45
    ISU...... 2.27...... 2.22
    KS....... 1.99...... 2.04
    COL...... 2.05...... 2.01


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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    Very interesting..



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    On the surface this seems rather interesting, but if you correlate the productivity of the upperclassmen to Big 12 wins there is a very weak non-substantial correlation.

    So what does this mean? Well I think it means that teams who don't have productive upperclassmen are showing its possible to have success with young athletes. Unfortunately for us, we aren't getting much production from our upperclassmen and the new young guys aren't picking up the slack.

    Hopefully we can get things turned around sometime soon.



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    Quote Originally Posted by pthebutcher View Post
    On the surface this seems rather interesting, but if you correlate the productivity of the upperclassmen to Big 12 wins there is a very weak non-substantial correlation.

    So what does this mean? Well I think it means that teams who don't have productive upperclassmen are showing its possible to have success with young athletes. Unfortunately for us, we aren't getting much production from our upperclassmen and the new young guys aren't picking up the slack.

    Hopefully we can get things turned around sometime soon.

    Kansas and Oklahoma are showing it...Kansas will ALWAYS win and recruit the best of the best...Oklahoma has the best underclassman in the nation to go with McDonald's All-American Willie Warren...and I'll show Frank Martin a little love...the guy is getting the most out of his solid backcourt...other than that...?



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    Our coach is struggling.... our scheme is horrible and we continue to get beat because of our poor guard play. This slow-*** basketball is not going to cut it in the Big 12.



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    This is not a guarantee that we'll win when we get older (although we should improve)...it's mostly to prove a point to those who seem to think because we have 4 upperclassman in our top 8, we're not a "young" team.



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    Quote Originally Posted by Clone_12 View Post
    This is not a guarantee that we'll win when we get older (although we should improve)...it's mostly to prove a point to those who seem to think because we have 4 upperclassman in our top 8, we're not a "young" team.
    I admit that we get the bulk of our points from sophs. My point was we had a 7 man recruiting class and only one is seeing signifigant minutes with three walk ons (I'm including Thompson because he is a glorified walk on) seein alot of minutes... Other teams are getting their freshmen in and seeing them contribute. Colorado beat us with what 5 freshmen? Iowa and SDSU were both far younger than us and they beat us. Hawaii was a team full of Juco transfers...



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingCY View Post
    Our coach is struggling.... our scheme is horrible and we continue to get beat because of our poor guard play. This slow-*** basketball is not going to cut it in the Big 12.
    Why must it be slow or fast?...looking for both, picking our spots to push is ultimately where we want to be.



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    22 league wins out of the 6 teams getting the least production from upperclassmen (including Kansas who always lands the best of the best recruits, and Oklahoma who has the best underclassman in the country, and also McDonald's All-American Willie Warren...

    24 league wins from the 6 teams getting the most out of upperclassmen...

    Kansas and Oklahoma account for 15 of the 22 wins...I'd say it holds a little merit...it's no guarantee we'll be great when we get older...but there is definately a difference.



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    Quote Originally Posted by kg-cyclone View Post
    Why must it be slow or fast?...looking for both, picking our spots to push is ultimately where we want to be.
    Curious, do we not have a secondary break at all? Seems like if we do get a fast break and aren't able to score they just send the ball all the way up top and slow it down again. Can't we naturally transition into some sort of fluid offense instead of coming to a screetching halt?



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    Quote Originally Posted by cybsball20 View Post
    Curious, do we not have a secondary break at all? Seems like if we do get a fast break and aren't able to score they just send the ball all the way up top and slow it down again. Can't we naturally transition into some sort of fluid offense instead of coming to a screetching halt?
    The "smoothness" of the transition into our offense and a secondary break are 2 entirely different things.



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    Quote Originally Posted by cybsball20 View Post
    Curious, do we not have a secondary break at all? Seems like if we do get a fast break and aren't able to score they just send the ball all the way up top and slow it down again. Can't we naturally transition into some sort of fluid offense instead of coming to a screetching halt?

    nope. That is not how Greg wants it done. Brilliant.



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingCY View Post
    nope. That is not how Greg wants it done. Brilliant.

    Did you notice how cybsball20 actually brought substance to his argument?

    Try that.



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    Re: Production from upperclassmen...

    Quote Originally Posted by cybsball20 View Post
    Curious, do we not have a secondary break at all? Seems like if we do get a fast break and aren't able to score they just send the ball all the way up top and slow it down again. Can't we naturally transition into some sort of fluid offense instead of coming to a screetching halt?
    I think you should watch some tape for two years ago and remind yourself where we were...We are making adjustments as we can. Some teams it is better to push against than others...KSU, Missouri, Neb, Baylor, OSU...are not the teams we want to be turning the basketball game into a track meet with.


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