Results 1 to 14 of 14
  1. #1
    Addict
    Points: 59,692, Level: 75
    Level completed: 77%, Points required for next Level: 358
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    guitarchitect7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    6,318
    Points
    59,692
    Level
    75
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 1

    Question Rookie of the Year???

    So this thought occurred to me last Sunday watching the Ravens beat up on Miami. I'm not saying this is how I feel about the matter, but just a topic of discussion that I thought would be interesting.

    As I recall, Matt Ryan was voted the Rookie of the Year for the 2008 season. Now although what he did for that team is very worthy of such credentials, it makes me ponder on a few other rookies.

    Kyle Orton's rookie season- although his numbers were far from what Ryan's were, he also held the highest winning percentage for any rookie QB ever in the NFL. Although it's pretty evident that that was due to the success of the defense, you can't over look that it was him that earned that success in the position he was in. He was the 3rd string that year and never expected to play a down. This reminds me of all the hype that Ben Rothlisburger got his rookie season and wining so many games in a row. Anyway, just a thought.

    Joe Flacco - Alright so maybe this guy wasn't AS good as what Ryan was this year, but you can't argue that he wasn't close. He took over the starting role and ran with it to lead the team to the playoffs. And to add on to it, he lead his team to a playoff victory. I understand awards are given based off regular season performances, but I would like to argue that I think the Rookie of the Year is a guy who adds the best value to a teams performance over the coarse of a whole season, playoffs included. For a rookie to lead a team to the playoffs and to pull out a victory is a pretty big deal - especially in a role so important as QB. I know it's only one victory, but what happens if he gets another, and another? Why wouldn't this guy actually deserve the rookie of the year honors?

    I will say, based off regular season performance, it's hard to argue against the honor that Ryan deserved. But maybe it was a bit premature. When I look at past winners of MVP and R.O.T.Y awards, I tend to think of the whole season - playoffs and superbowl included, Matt Ryan is no longer in that picture.


    "You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace." -- Ernie Banks



  2. #2
    Pro
    Points: 36,631, Level: 58
    Level completed: 99%, Points required for next Level: 19
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran25000 Experience Points
    Clonegrad07's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    2,401
    Points
    36,631
    Level
    58
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2
    Given: 11

    Re: Rookie of the Year???

    Ryan deserved it..... had a HUGE year for the Falcons.



  3. #3
    Addict
    Points: 136,389, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    clones_jer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    IA
    Posts
    8,337
    Points
    136,389
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 4
    Given: 0

    Re: Rookie of the Year???

    Matt Ryan
    Record 11-5
    Passing Yrds: 3,440
    Comp %: 61%
    TD: 17 (1 rushing)
    INT:11
    Rating: 87.7

    Joe Flacco
    Record 11-5
    Passing Yrds: 2,971
    Comp %: 60%
    TD: 16 (2 rushing)
    INT:12
    Rating: 80.3

    I agree that Flacco was nearly as good. That he didn't get ANY votes for ROY was crap. I'd still give it to Ryan, but not by the wide margin.



  4. #4
    Rookie
    Points: 12,077, Level: 33
    Level completed: 19%, Points required for next Level: 573
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points
    danrog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    484
    Points
    12,077
    Level
    33
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 0

    Re: Rookie of the Year???

    Keep in mind Matt Ryan turned around a Falcon team that was absolutely horrible and led by back stabbing Bobby Petrino who left a note in the locker room concerning his departure as head coach



  5. #5
    Addict
    Points: 136,389, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    clones_jer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    IA
    Posts
    8,337
    Points
    136,389
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 4
    Given: 0

    Re: Rookie of the Year???

    Ravens receivers suck, Falcons recievers were just in purgatory.

    Falcons have a pro-bowl RB. Ravens had to go at it with a banged up starter and two rookies.

    Ravens D was better, but the Falcons D is no slouch.

    I think the situations were equally hard for both guys.



  6. #6
    Speechless
    Points: 315,408, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 28.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    bawbie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Cedar Rapids, IA
    Posts
    18,354
    Points
    315,408
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 510
    Given: 1,201

    Re: Rookie of the Year???

    Quote Originally Posted by guitarchitect7 View Post

    I will say, based off regular season performance, it's hard to argue against the honor that Ryan deserved. But maybe it was a bit premature. When I look at past winners of MVP and R.O.T.Y awards, I tend to think of the whole season - playoffs and superbowl included, Matt Ryan is no longer in that picture.
    ROTY and MVP are regular season awards.



  7. #7
    Hooper drives the boat, Chief
    Points: 599,363, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 23.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialYour first GroupVeteran50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Mr Janny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    22,194
    Points
    599,363
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,236
    Given: 112

    Re: Rookie of the Year???

    Quote Originally Posted by clones_jer View Post
    Ravens receivers suck, Falcons recievers were just in purgatory.

    Falcons have a pro-bowl RB. Ravens had to go at it with a banged up starter and two rookies.

    Ravens D was better, but the Falcons D is no slouch.

    I think the situations were equally hard for both guys.

    In my opinion, Matt Ryan is nowhere without Mike Turner. Take Turner off of the Falcons, and Ryan's stats are much worse.


    "What a horrible night to have a curse."
    -Simon Belmont

    "Please bury me with all my stuff, because you know it's mine..."
    -Master Shake

    "Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood."
    -Lorem Ipsum

  8. #8
    Addict
    Points: 59,692, Level: 75
    Level completed: 77%, Points required for next Level: 358
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    guitarchitect7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    6,318
    Points
    59,692
    Level
    75
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 1

    Re: Rookie of the Year???

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    ROTY and MVP are regular season awards.
    I understand that.

    I'm just saying that once you go into the playoffs, considering the similar stats with Ryan and Flacco, and the fact the Flacco has at least won a playoff game that you could agrue that Flacco might actually be the true ROTY.


    "You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace." -- Ernie Banks



  9. #9
    Legend
    Points: 168,086, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 36.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    The_Architect's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Focus Town
    Posts
    11,504
    Points
    168,086
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 297
    Given: 1,147

    Re: Rookie of the Year???



    While on live TV, Ford used a vulgar term to describe a private part of the female anatomy, adding that he was “happily married” and “got more than enough to eat at home.”

  10. #10
    Rookie
    Points: 7,593, Level: 26
    Level completed: 8%, Points required for next Level: 557
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    j_crow's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Ames, IA
    Posts
    355
    Points
    7,593
    Level
    26
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2
    Given: 0

    Re: Rookie of the Year???

    Quote Originally Posted by jdewaard View Post
    In my opinion, Matt Ryan is nowhere without Mike Turner. Take Turner off of the Falcons, and Ryan's stats are much worse.
    I would agree with this statement, but I would also say that Turner would've been nowhere without Ryan, either. If we had had Harrington/Leftwich/Shockley (maybe not Redman, but who knows) behind center like we did last year, there's no way that Turner has near the success that he did. Defenses would've been able to focus on the run even more than they already did.

    In the end, it doesn't really matter anyway. I'm just glad my Falcons are respectable again...too bad about the early playoffs exit, though!



  11. #11
    Addict
    Points: 44,627, Level: 65
    Level completed: 29%, Points required for next Level: 923
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran25000 Experience Points
    mwitt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    5,801
    Points
    44,627
    Level
    65
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 4

    Re: Rookie of the Year???

    Trent Dilfer could have come out of retirement for the Ravens and they still would have beaten Miami last week.



  12. #12
    Hooper drives the boat, Chief
    Points: 599,363, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 23.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialYour first GroupVeteran50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Mr Janny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    22,194
    Points
    599,363
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,236
    Given: 112

    Re: Rookie of the Year???

    Quote Originally Posted by j_crow View Post
    I would agree with this statement, but I would also say that Turner would've been nowhere without Ryan, either. If we had had Harrington/Leftwich/Shockley (maybe not Redman, but who knows) behind center like we did last year, there's no way that Turner has near the success that he did. Defenses would've been able to focus on the run even more than they already did.

    In the end, it doesn't really matter anyway. I'm just glad my Falcons are respectable again...too bad about the early playoffs exit, though!
    If you look at the stats comparing last year to this year, the Atlanta passing didn't change all that much. They threw the ball less this year, and had 4 fewer interceptions, but stat-wise they were fairly similar. However, the running game improved dramatically. They ran the ball more, and as a result, gained almost a thousand more rushing yards in 08 than in 07. Also 17 more touchdowns than they did the previous year.

    This was a team that had shifted it's focus to the running game. Other teams knew that, and prepared for that. Ryan was not driving this offense, and his stats back that up. He had 8 games with under 200 yards passing, and 12 games with 250 yards or less. Meanwhile, Turner was fairly consistent throughout the year. He gained about 12 yards per game more in the last 8 games of the season, than he did in the first 8 games.

    Look at it this way, Carolina has very similar numbers to Atlanta. Jake Delhomme has comparable stats to Matt Ryan, and the two team's rushing yardage is about the same. Is anyone saying that Jake is the MVP of the Panthers? No way. He might make 3rd behind Steve Smith and Deangelo Williams. Is anyone saying that the Panther running game would be nowhere without Jake?

    It's the same argument. Yes, Matt Ryan put up good numbers, for a rookie. And he looks to be on the verge of a great career. But, this team is driven by Mike Turner and the ground game, not the other way around.


    "What a horrible night to have a curse."
    -Simon Belmont

    "Please bury me with all my stuff, because you know it's mine..."
    -Master Shake

    "Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood."
    -Lorem Ipsum

  13. #13
    Addict
    Points: 59,692, Level: 75
    Level completed: 77%, Points required for next Level: 358
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    guitarchitect7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    6,318
    Points
    59,692
    Level
    75
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 1

    Re: Rookie of the Year???

    Quote Originally Posted by mwitt View Post
    Trent Dilfer could have come out of retirement for the Ravens and they still would have beaten Miami last week.
    But would he have had the same success during the regular season? No probably not.

    I said that one win doesn't account for much, but if Flacco continues on then it's more worthy than what Ryan accomplished.

    Of course Peyton Manning failed to beat the Chargers, the great Brett Farve didn't even get the Jets into the playoffs.


    "You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace." -- Ernie Banks



  14. #14
    Addict
    Points: 143,501, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation First ClassVeteran50000 Experience Points
    CrossCyed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Iowa
    Posts
    9,384
    Points
    143,501
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 10
    Given: 0

    Re: Rookie of the Year???

    Yeah, but Flacco is doing it with only one eyebrow. One long one.



Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • Football
  • Iowa State vs. Baylor
  • September 27, 2014
  • 02:30 PM