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    RUGBY STYLE PUNTS

    I guess it's known by different names, but what I am talking about is the the punter running to one side a bit and half kicking it down the field and hopefully getting some nice bounces.
    From a fans perspective, I think this is something we should use. It looks like it's more difficult to set up a return, thus benefitting the kicking team. It also appears that it would be easier to take a punter that is not top notch and really coach them into giving the other team crappy field position. Also, after watching a few games where the rugby style punt hit a receiving team's player, I think the chances of getting more turnovers is much better. What do you think?


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    Re: RUGBY STYLE PUNTS

    At lower levels, teams are using their RB's or a fast reciever as their punters and it gives a very good option as far as faking it as well.
    Probably on average about 5 yards less per punt, but there is rarely, and I mean RARELY any return.


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    Re: RUGBY STYLE PUNTS

    I agree and hope that we adopt something like this. We have a good punter, but rugby style punts would help eliminate our porous kick coverage.



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    Re: RUGBY STYLE PUNTS

    Once it becomes common place, teams will figure out how to return this one also.


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    Re: RUGBY STYLE PUNTS

    Quote Originally Posted by brianhos View Post
    Once it becomes common place, teams will figure out how to return this one also.
    Yeah, rush the hell outta the roll side and kill the punter.



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    Re: RUGBY STYLE PUNTS

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post
    Yeah, rush the hell outta the roll side and kill the punter.
    To counter that, teams will start getting REAL rugby players to be their punters...imagine a 250 lb Scotchman with a bad temper who doesn't like to wear pants much less pads and a helmet. He would rather hit people wearing his kilt and no pads. Now put that man into a set of pads and a helmet and tell him its the goal to kick, but if the other team comes up too fast, you can run too. Think of how many first downs that would get us. And how many injuries it would get players on the other team.


    ...well...sort of...I'm only kidding about 20%.


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    Re: RUGBY STYLE PUNTS

    I'll play devil's advocate, not because I disagree necessarily, but because the rugby punt is certainly nothing new. There has to be a reason this isn't more widespread. I would guess the issues are; no time for coverage to get downfield, lack of consistency, no fair catch.

    If the ball isn't up in the air, no one has time to get downfield and surround the returner. As has been mentioned, our coverage hasn't been great anyway.

    I would also guess that getting a consistant "good" kick would be fairly difficult. If the idea is to send the ball spinning wildly in the air at a low angle, it's going to be harder to repeat consistantly than a standard punt that files in a tight spiral at a high angle.

    Finally, teams with above average punters and fast outside coverage guys do a pretty good job of forcing fair catches. This may also not be much of a concern for us.



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    Re: RUGBY STYLE PUNTS

    Quote Originally Posted by jsmith86 View Post
    To counter that, teams will start getting REAL rugby players to be their punters...imagine a 250 lb Scotchman with a bad temper who doesn't like to wear pants much less pads and a helmet. He would rather hit people wearing his kilt and no pads. Now put that man into a set of pads and a helmet and tell him its the goal to kick, but if the other team comes up too fast, you can run too. Think of how many first downs that would get us. And how many injuries it would get players on the other team.


    ...well...sort of...I'm only kidding about 20%.


    ????

    Might be a weeeeeeeeeeeee-bit over 250



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    Re: RUGBY STYLE PUNTS

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post


    ????

    Might be a weeeeeeeeeeeee-bit over 250


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    Re: RUGBY STYLE PUNTS

    Quote Originally Posted by jsmith86 View Post
    He might solve our issues stopping the run up the middle



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    Re: RUGBY STYLE PUNTS

    But the was the general idea, yes. Only slightly more muscular... like Ahhh-nuld in a kilt.


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    Re: RUGBY STYLE PUNTS

    Quote Originally Posted by HOTDON View Post
    I'll play devil's advocate, not because I disagree necessarily, but because the rugby punt is certainly nothing new. There has to be a reason this isn't more widespread. I would guess the issues are; no time for coverage to get downfield, lack of consistency, no fair catch.

    The coverage moves downfield while the "punter" has the ball and is rolling out to one side. The punter has the choice of whether to kick the ball while on the run or try to run for the first down. The coverage can go down toward the returner because the returning team has to decide whether they want to set up a return or make sure the punter kicks the ball.

    If the ball isn't up in the air, no one has time to get downfield and surround the returner. As has been mentioned, our coverage hasn't been great anyway.

    Plenty of time to get coverage downfield.

    I would also guess that getting a consistant "good" kick would be fairly difficult. If the idea is to send the ball spinning wildly in the air at a low angle, it's going to be harder to repeat consistantly than a standard punt that files in a tight spiral at a high angle.

    The other good thing about sending the ball "spinning wildly" at a low angle is that you have the chance of the ball hitting a returning team player and becoming a live ball, if they chose to try to set up a return.

    Finally, teams with above average punters and fast outside coverage guys do a pretty good job of forcing fair catches. This may also not be much of a concern for us.
    Our talent level at this point does not lend itself well to good kick coverage. I'm all about winning at all costs, and if the cost is other teams and fans whining about gimmick type of plays, I don't care. Lets win.



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