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    The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    Why do most say that G-Mac's entire system at UNI was just a bunch of gaurds chucking up 3's? As i recall it was the inside play of Schneiderman and Gruber that really got the ball rolling for his success. Then it was Stout and Coleman, now Eglseder and Koch.



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    Re: The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    Right!

    At this time, we just lack the inside play for the whole thing to take off.


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    Re: The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    Quote Originally Posted by copenhagen View Post
    Why do most say that...
    Groupthink. Shortsightedness. Revisionist history.



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    Re: The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    Quote Originally Posted by psychlone99 View Post
    Groupthink. Shortsightedness. Revisionist history.
    Are those things wrong?


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    Re: The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    It's been said before, we lack two necessary components of a Big 12 championship team:

    1. Low post dominance - this is more than Brackins, it includes offensive rebounding, defensive stops, and a second consistent scorer from the block.

    2. Athletic dribble-drive finishers - the guy that takes it to the rack and finishes consistently. Also capable of defending the same. Need more than one of these as well.

    And as others have pointed out, we don't move very well without the ball, which to me is largely due to #2 above, lack of athleticism to open up lanes.

    This team isn't having problems because of coaching, it's because of talent. They need more than one way to win basketball games, or else their one strength (3-point shooting in this case) will be shut down by opposing defenses.



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    Re: The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    Quote Originally Posted by copenhagen View Post
    Why do most say that G-Mac's entire system at UNI was just a bunch of gaurds chucking up 3's? As i recall it was the inside play of Schneiderman and Gruber that really got the ball rolling for his success. Then it was Stout and Coleman, now Eglseder and Koch.
    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    Right! At this time, we just lack the inside play for the whole thing to take off.
    Could be this is why some basketball-knowledgeable defenders of GMac here continue to harp about the team's youth and inexperience.

    Justin Hamilton (6-11, 250) is a freshman still learning the game; LA Pomlee (6-8, 230) a raw jumping jack rookie is redshirting; JUCO 6-11 JVB, although not a power presence underneath (right?) is a Div. IA rookie and, also, has been setback by injury this season; rookie Clinton Mann (6-7, 210), who GMac has said possesses a rugged mental toughness that he hopes influences his teammates, was sidelined last summer with injury and needs some time to develop, too.

    Almost all of our inside potential is composed of first-year guys. Rip GMac if you will, but I'll patiently wait to see what develops with these guys before I make a final judgment about GMac's abilities.

    And in the meantime, our recruiting appears to be taking off, step-by-step. Can't wait to see the grand opening of the new practice facility.


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    Re: The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    Quote Originally Posted by CyValley View Post
    Could be this is why some basketball-knowledgeable defenders of GMac here continue to harp about the team's youth and inexperience.

    Justin Hamilton (6-11, 250) is a freshman still learning the game; LA Pomlee (6-8, 230) a raw jumping jack rookie is redshirting; JUCO 6-11 JVB, although not a power presence underneath (right?) is a Div. IA rookie and, also, has been setback by injury this season; rookie Clinton Mann (6-7, 210), who GMac has said possesses mental toughness, was sidelined last summer with injury and needs some time to develop, too.

    Almost all of our inside potential is composed of first-year guys. Rip GMac if you will, but I'll patiently wait to see what develops with these guys before I make a final judgment about GMac's abilities.

    And in the meantime, our recruiting appears to be taking off, step-by-step. Can't wait to see the grand opening of the new practice facility.
    I'm not ripping him at all. I'm looking forward to seeing it all come together.

    Maybe Gilstrap is the penetrator we're waiting for. Just that facet of the game will open up many things on the offensive end.


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    Re: The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    Put Eric Coleman on the current ISU team and we would be undefeated.


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    Re: The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    Quote Originally Posted by MontyBurns View Post
    Put Eric Coleman on the current ISU team and we would be undefeated.
    He's unfloppable!! Oh, wait, he loves to flop.

    Well, he would be a great addition, no matter what.


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    Re: The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    I'm not ripping him at all. I'm looking forward to seeing it all come together.

    Maybe Gilstrap is the penetrator we're waiting for. Just that facet of the game will open up many things on the offensive end.
    Hey, CycloneErik, I wasn't singling you -- or anyone else -- out. Just a general observation ;-)

    Yeah, Gilstrap, hard to imagine he won't make an impact next season. And, if Pomlee and Mann (with his work ethic, wonder if he can reach 225 lbs next season?) can provide some good minutes, and if big JH continues to develop. . . .

    Could be the inside game will look a whole lot better one year from now, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by CyValley View Post
    Hey, CycloneErik, I wasn't singling you -- or anyone else -- out. Just a general observation ;-)

    Yeah, Gilstrap, hard to imagine he won't make an impact next season. And, if Pomlee and Mann (with his work ethic, wonder if he can reach 225 lbs next season?) can get some good minutes, and if big JH continues to develop. . . .

    Could be the inside game will look a whole lot better one year from now, right?
    I think so. Craig should be developing, too.


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    Re: The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    Here's what Coleman did against ISU during his career (and some of these were good ISU teams):

    Freshman: 24 pts, 10 reb (win)
    Sophomore: 19 pts, 7 reb (loss)
    Junior: 17 pts, 11 reb (win)
    Senior: 10 pts, 14 reb (win)

    If we had someone who could do that -- consistently, like Coleman did -- we would be undefeated.


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    Did any of you guys watch or follow the run

    UNI made back then? It was a fun ride. I remember watching i think it was the Mo Valley tourney and either Schneiderman or Gruber had this big rediculous cast on his arm or hand and yet he was getting all these rebounds and shooting and making freethrows. It was funny and impressive.



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    Re: The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    In 2006, UNI was #48 in the nation in percentage of threes per shots taken. In 2005 they were #134. In 2004 they were #38.

    So during his good three year run two of the years his teams took more threes than 86% of the teams in the NCAA. Sometimes myths are reality.

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    Re: The big myth about G-Mac's previous teams

    Coach Mac has recruited some really poor big men. I dont feel sorry for him.



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