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    Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    First of all, I know nothing about this sport...

    I watched ESPN Sportscentury on Dan Gable. It was impressive. I got a few questions:

    Do both Iowa and Iowa State claim him as a great sports figure?

    Is he looked down upon for coaching for Iowa?

    Did Iowa State offer him a job?

    Thanks.



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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    Not my sport at all, but Im guessing we claim Cael Sanderson? Again, not my sport at all.



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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    I don't think ISU offered Gable because they had a very successful coach when he wrestled for ISU. A few years ago Iowa was struggling a little and Cael Sanderson just finished an undefeated college career (1 win better than gable). We promptly fired a successful coach and hired Cael. Can't speak for anyone else but I am glad gable wrestled for ISU.


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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonTide77 View Post
    First of all, I know nothing about this sport...

    I watched ESPN Sportscentury on Dan Gable. It was impressive. I got a few questions:

    Do both Iowa and Iowa State claim him as a great sports figure?

    Is he looked down upon for coaching for Iowa?

    Did Iowa State offer him a job?

    Thanks.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Gable

    We absolutely claim Gable as a great ISU sports figure because of all he did in college. The guy only lost 1 match (his last), brought home 2 NCAA Championships, was a world champion and won a Gold medal in the Olympics........his career accomplishments as an amateur and a coach have been incredible.

    Unfortunately, Iowa State dropped the ball on hiring Gable so the Hawkeyes snatched him away, he had great success (of course) it's always kind of been a sore subject.

    All is well that ends well; however, because now we have Cael Sanderson and he has an equally impressive if not more impressive amateur record (undefeated in college).

    Bottom line__Dan Gable was a stud and how can you not consider him a cyclone when he wrestled at ISU?....regardless of where he ended up coaching.


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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonTide77 View Post
    First of all, I know nothing about this sport...
    I watched ESPN Sportscentury on Dan Gable. It was impressive. I got a few questions:
    Do both Iowa and Iowa State claim him as a great sports figure?
    Is he looked down upon for coaching for Iowa?
    Did Iowa State offer him a job?
    Thanks.
    To people outside of Iowa, Gable is associated with UI because of all the national titles he won as their head coach. Most people in Iowa equate Gable with UI for the same reason. Only wrestling fans could tell you that Gable lost just once while competing for ISU, in the 1970 NCAA finals (as a senior).

    Iowa State claims him as an Olympic gold medalist (Munich 1972), since that occurred before he became an assistant at UI.

    ISU had a legend (Harold Nichols) as head coach from 1954-85. Gable wanted a head coaching job in the mid-70s, after finishing his competitive career, but Nichols wasn't ready to retire. I don't believe ISU even offered him an assistant coach position (may be wrong there...fuzzy memory). Iowa did, however, and Gable spent 3-4 years as an assistant under Kurdelmeier before taking over the UI program. Call it a case of the one that got away, I guess. But you can't replace a man who had several national titles while he's still more or less in his prime.

    It's been only recently -- in the last 2 years -- that Gable finally stopped referring to UI as "us" and "we" when doing color analysis for wrestling broadcasts. I don't blame him for that, though. He spent over two decades in the wrestling room over there.

    Hope that answers your questions.



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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    ISU sort of claims him, but his coaching style leaves much to be desired. Think win at all costs. He is still a Cyclone, deep down, and still wears his letter jacket and attends some events. I think most of us, as Cyclones, think he went to Iowa City and allowed himself to be corrupted. His teams usually displayed poor sportsmanship on the mat, and worse manners off it. You don't have to dig very deep to see that some of his wrestlers were not all that classy.

    ISU still had Harold Nichols as coach in 1976 when Gable got the Iowa job. He stayed on at ISU until 85. He is to ISU wrestling as Pat Dye is to Auburn football. A really classy guy who symbolizes that which is best of our university. While ISU regrets letting Gable get away, there was no way of guessing he would have so much success so soon, and we would have had to push out a legend to give him the job.

    All that being said, our current coach is one of the classiest and humble people I have ever met. He bleeds cardinal and gold, and I could not be more proud of any athlete or coach at ISU.


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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    I think both Iowa and Iowa State claim him as a sports great but in different manners. At Iowa he's an icon that built a dynasty and has been the most successful coach in wrestling history, keeping Iowa at the top of the wrestling world throughout his tenure including nine straight titles. At Iowa State, he's acknowledged as one of the Cyclone greats, but I think moreso he's known as the one that got away.

    Like dundermifflin said, ISU had an established coach at the time Gable was interested, so they did not offer him the position. He didn't want to wait for the ISU position to open up, so when Iowa offered, he took it. I don't think many look down on him for this, he was simply taking the offer he was given, and Iowa State was already set. Obviously with his success, people started questioning "what if?"

    And that was the parallel that people feared once Cael had his success and stated his intentions of coaching. Iowa was going through a coaching change, and while Bobby Douglas was nearing the end of his coaching career at Iowa State, that didn't appear to be an imminent event. Douglas was asked to step down in order to make way for Cael, as Iowa State as a whole feared that he would otherwise become the next Gable and continue the success at Iowa.


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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonTide77 View Post
    First of all, I know nothing about this sport...

    I watched ESPN Sportscentury on Dan Gable. It was impressive. I got a few questions:

    Do both Iowa and Iowa State claim him as a great sports figure?

    Is he looked down upon for coaching for Iowa?

    Did Iowa State offer him a job?

    Thanks.
    Do you claim Forrest Gump??

    ISU honors Dan Gable, the athlete. ISU fans respect Dan Gable, the coach.

    As much as ISU fans hate the Hawkeyes, there is a lot of mutual respect and admiration from each side when it comes to the sport of wrestling (for true fans of the sport).


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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    ISU has had 5 Olympic Gold Medalist. Gable and Sanderson represent 2 of those 5 medals. Of Course we claim him, just like you claim that Independence Bowl win that we kicked your arse in.

    PS. Yelk's FG at the end was good, I wonder how much $$$ that referee made off that call.



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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    I had heard from a friend who wrestled at ISU that Douglas went to the AD and told him he needed to get Cael hired before another great one got away. Read two posts about Douglas being let go before he was ready to go......
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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    Quote Originally Posted by dundermifflin View Post
    I don't think ISU offered Gable because they had a very successful coach when he wrestled for ISU. A few years ago Iowa was struggling a little and Cael Sanderson just finished an undefeated college career (1 win better than gable). We promptly fired a successful coach and hired Cael. Can't speak for anyone else but I am glad gable wrestled for ISU.
    Firstly the two college careers aren't quite comarable because freshmen were not allowed to participate on varsity sports back then which precluded the need to redshirt athletes which is so prevalent now.

    Secondly there was a big Iowa booster that wanted Gable to coach at Iowa. I believe this booster personally funded the highest salary for an assistant wrestling coach at that point in history. I think the funding carried over into other funding for the program.


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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    Two bits of advice: Follow wrestling. Greatest sport in the world. It can be borderline torture if the right move gets put into place.

    Second: I'm glad you heard about all of this on tv. That surprises me a little bit.


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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    bottom line, i don't think gable has claimed isu since graduation, and in listening to his horrible un-biased commentary it sounds as if he has a vendetta against us. just my oppinion.



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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    Quote Originally Posted by ISU BET View Post
    bottom line, i don't think gable has claimed isu since graduation, and in listening to his horrible un-biased commentary it sounds as if he has a vendetta against us. just my oppinion.
    He still is invited and shows up to some functions at ISU, decked out in ISU garb. He ticks me off at times too, but I have to be fair to him. It seems he favors Iowa over ISU when they wrestle, and probably cheers more for Iowa wrestling, but he is and will always be a Cyclone to some degree.


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    Re: Allow me to ask a dumb question....

    Gable lost.

    Cael didn't



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