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    Chizik vs Floyd

    Now come on, people, when Tim Floyd started pursuing the Chicago Bulls job, none of us were happy. As a matter of fact, most of us thought he was betraying us, because he was just starting to recruit good players--like this Marcus Fizer kid. And that other kid, the one from Sioux City, Hinrich, was going to be the point guard we needed. And yes, he'd talked about being a Cyclone lifer.

    When Floyd left for Chicago, it was a punch in the gut--and not just because Beverly Floyd was gorgeous. He was throwing everything aside that he had come to Ames to do. Sure, Chicago was a great opportunity--but it was obvious that we didn't matter, just his own coaching ambitions.

    Well, maybe most of us started to forgive him when the Bulls' best players essentially refused to play for him. Maybe more of us forgave him when he took a beat down with a roster constantly devoid of talent. Maybe even more of us forgave him when Larry Eustachy, his friend and successor, took us to within a heartbeat of the Final Four with the aforementioned Fizer--a year we should have won the whole damn thing.

    Well, I dunno about Chizik in ten years, but Tim Floyd has one hell of a lot of cash in his pocket now, is at a glamour (if not an elite) school, and most of us would happily take him back were he to want to return to Ames.

    Just sayin', there's not a lot of difference between Floyd and Chizik. Well, except that Johnny was forced out, so that Floyd would start off with a stocked roster. But Floyd definitely didn't "finish the job".



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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    but floyd started the job.. gene didnt even get it started.. and didnt we win a big 8 championship with tim.. it is a decent try.. but gene is not tim.. and i have way more respect for tim then gene.. because tim stil talks about iowa state.. in a good way


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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    I was really ****** about Tim Floyd as well. The only thing that made it a little bit easier to take was the state he left our program in. He set it up for a legitimate run at the National Championship. I didn't want him to go at all and actually still hold a bit of a grudge against him for running for money and not success.

    Chizik has left us a pile of **** with a storm brewing around it that could throw it ten different directions and land on all of our faces. If the kids stay, I think we could be in good shape with a decent coach. I'm just afraid, from what I've been reading on the boards, we could lose a lot of kids. I'm sorry, but this is just that one notch higher than what Floyd did. IMO, Floyd was a fool to run to the empty Bulls TEam. Chizik is just an *******.



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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    Floyd did great things at ISU. He set the table for the best run in school history. He still talks good about ISU. Didnt his daughter graduate from Ames after he left. He help find a new coach. What did Chizik do?


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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    Quote Originally Posted by cmoore_23 View Post
    but floyd started the job.. gene didnt even get it started.. and didnt we win a big 8 championship with tim.. it is a decent try.. but gene is not tim.. and i have way more respect for tim then gene.. because tim stil talks about iowa state.. in a good way
    In ten years Chizik might "still talk about Iowa State in a good way".

    And I don't agree that that Chizik didn't start the job. Especially if the talent he recruited stays in the program.



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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    The difference was that Floyd was a good coach.

    He proved himself at ISU, as well as his other schools. I hated to see him go, but that's what happens to good coaches...they move on to better things. I just didn't think that happened to mediocre coaches.



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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    In ten years Chizik might "still talk about Iowa State in a good way".

    And I don't agree that that Chizik didn't start the job. Especially if the talent he recruited stays in the program.
    I think that what they're saying is that Floyd started it in much more concrete waysm big wins, national rankings (continued from Johnny), and trips to the NCAA, as well as the Big 8 Championship.

    Chizik has started to bring in the talent, but he doesn't have any of the other things to back him up.


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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    Quote Originally Posted by isucyfan View Post
    I just didn't think that happened to mediocre coaches.
    It doesn't. And that's the real reason everyone is mad.



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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    I think that what they're saying is that Floyd started it in much more concrete waysm big wins, national rankings (continued from Johnny), and trips to the NCAA, as well as the Big 8 Championship.

    Chizik has started to bring in the talent, but he doesn't have any of the other things to back him up.
    Yes, and all of that was far easier because Floyd was left a fully stocked cupboard. Chizik didn't have that advantage. Trust me, Johnny really hated being forced out.

    That, and that Floyd stayed a little longer are really the only two differences.



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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    Head Coach Tim Floyd
    Tenure: 1995-98 (4 seasons)
    Overall: 81-47 (.633)
    Conference: 30-30 (.500)
    Conference Titles: 1 NCAA: 3


    Not even close, Chizik was looking to jump ship. He could not even be honest about it, how about the reports last month that he re-gretted taking the job, and this last Sunday at Football team banquet, told all the players he was going no where......

    5-19 says alot about his ability to overcome adversity......sad


    Last edited by coachdags; 12-14-2008 at 08:58 AM.

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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    Yes, and all of that was far easier because Floyd was left a fully stocked cupboard. Chizik didn't have that advantage. Trust me, Johnny really hated being forced out.

    That, and that Floyd stayed a little longer are really the only two differences.
    But they are huge differences. And tied together. Had Chizik stayed a little longer and not snuck out of town, we might have been left in a better situation.



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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    Quote Originally Posted by coachdags View Post
    5-19 says alot about his ability to overcome adversity......sad
    I would have guessed that a coach would know that it's a whole lot easier to "overcome adversity" with a fifteen man roster and unlimited annual schollies (remember everyone complaining about Floyd running people off?), than an eighty-five man roster with a twenty-five annual scholly limit.

    Of course, maybe I'm wrong about it being easier.

    I think that had Chizik stayed even one more year, we would have seen a substantial difference. Now all of that hangs on a thread.



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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan94 View Post
    But they are huge differences. And tied together. Had Chizik stayed a little longer and not snuck out of town, we might have been left in a better situation.
    Had Floyd stayed a little longer, and not snuck out of town, we might have been left in a little better situation than his successor embarassing us nationally, and leaving the program in shards.

    Edit: By the way, all I'm saying is that in ten years, we might not be so angry at Gene Chizik. Why waste the hate?



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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    Floyd was a top flight coach, and as others have said, he left the cupboard stocked and helped find a good coach too. I was disappointed that he was leaving, but it was also cool to have a coach that was that highly thought of that he was national news. Chizik did nothing for us. Nothing.



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    Re: Chizik vs Floyd

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    I would have guessed that a coach would know that it's a whole lot easier to "overcome adversity" with a fifteen man roster and unlimited annual schollies (remember everyone complaining about Floyd running people off?), than an eighty-five man roster with a twenty-five annual scholly limit.

    Of course, maybe I'm wrong about it being easier.

    I think that had Chizik stayed even one more year, we would have seen a substantial difference. Now all of that hangs on a thread.
    JP went to work and got him the 3rd highest payroll package for asstiants in the Big 12, and gave him a oppurtunity for his 1st Head Job...? You can spin it anyway you want to about staying longer, dream job, more money ect.... bottom line he quit on ISU and was dishonest about it to the Alumni, Fans, Adminstration and worst of all the team Very un-professional

    No comparison with Tim Floyd is even close....(imo)


    Last edited by coachdags; 12-14-2008 at 09:15 AM.

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