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    A little perspective - what did we lose?

    Everyone is upset about Chizik leaving and the current state of the program, but let's consider what we're actually losing. What exactly did Gene do in his two years at ISU?

    • 5-19 (.208) overall record.
    • 2-14 (.125) Big XII record.
    • 0-? (.000) road record.
    • Losses to Toledo, UNLV, and UNI.
    • Took over a team that was 1 year removed from a bowl game and had professional prospects like Meyer, Blythe, Rubin, and Bowen, and went 3-9, then got even worse the following year.
    • Made Big XII history in Waco (Baylor's largest margin of victory in conference ever).
    • When the best athlete on the team quit, Chiz and staff had such a relationship with him that they never saw it coming and he wouldn't talk to them.
    • Lost pretty much every in-state recruiting battle when we were challenged by Iowa or anyone else, not that we really tried to recruit in-state.
    • Went head-to-head for Texas recruits not with Texas, Texas Technical, or Oklahoma, but with Houston, SMU, and Stephen F. Austin.
    • Made us look ridiculous many times - inability to call plays in 40 seconds or longer at Iowa, Baylor, and elsewhere, option play from 3 inches at Colorado, etc.
    • Back-to-back last place finishes in the Big XII North!!!
    • Left us with a 10 game losing streak.

    Are we really worried that we can't get another coach as good as Chizik?

    We may not get someone with Chizik's resume, but his performance at ISU did not set the bar real high. I don't know who we will hire but no matter who it is, is anyone going to be sitting at games next year wishing we still had Chizik???


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    Bruce Vandevelde, 2000-20005. 5 years, 4 bowl games, 2 NCAA's, 2 NIT's. Postseason participation 80%. Better.
    Jamie Pollard, 2005-. 4 years. 1 bowl game, 0 NCAA's, 0 NIT's. Postseason participation: 13%. The next big step.

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    I finally feel good about ISU football again

    I know that I was bashed on this board for voicing my opinions on Chizik for the past two seasons, but I really think that Chizik was moving the team in the wrong direction and clearly made a lot of mistakes. All season I thought that the players had the talent to win but the coaching was preventing that success. JP has the chance to put a new coach that will inspire the players and move ISU to success very soon. Hopefully the players will recognize that they can be a part of the turnaround and stick around. Next year will be big. I can feel it. I think that now we can go bowling...



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    Re: I finally feel good about ISU football again

    Quote Originally Posted by atlantacyclone View Post
    I know that I was bashed on this board for voicing my opinions on Chizik for the past two seasons, but I really think that Chizik was moving the team in the wrong direction and clearly made a lot of mistakes. All season I thought that the players had the talent to win but the coaching was preventing that success. JP has the chance to put a new coach that will inspire the players and move ISU to success very soon. Hopefully the players will recognize that they can be a part of the turnaround and stick around. Next year will be big. I can feel it. I think that now we can go bowling...

    Yup. Let's do this thing!!


    Since we are an elite team now, let's go get that One Cyclone Moment.
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    Re: I finally feel good about ISU football again

    I really think Turner Gill is the man to do what you are saying!!



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    Re: A little perspective - what did we lose?

    Think about it. This guy has one of the worst records ever at Iowa State. That's saying something.



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    Re: A little perspective - what did we lose?

    Major League. "We just need something to bring it all together."


    This is it...

    A quick change in the right direction and we are off to the races next year. I'm going to go ahead and say that we get the six wins we need. With a better coach we might have had them the past two seasons. Its the players that matter. We have great players.



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    Re: A little perspective - what did we lose?

    Half the team.


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    Re: A little perspective - what did we lose?

    To answer the question: The only thing we lose is continuity, which includes contacts with potential recruits. Otherwise, we lose nothing. This year looked like a repeat of Mac's last year: No blocking, no tackling, no pass rush or coverage, and near embarressing special teams play. Folks, it can't get worse. I don't care who we get to replace GC, but by golly, he and his staff had better be well versed in instilling the fundamentals into the players. A team of 1 and 2 star players can beat a team of 3,4, and 5 star players only by execution and no mistakes. That's been sadly lacking the last 3 seasons.


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    Re: A little perspective - what did we lose?

    Quote Originally Posted by tim_redd View Post
    Think about it. This guy has one of the worst records ever at Iowa State. That's saying something.
    Here are the W/L records for all the coaches we've had in the past 40 years. Why are we so upset over losing this one:

    1 Earle Bruce 36-32-0 .529
    2 Johnny Majors 24-30-1 .445
    3 Donnie Duncan 18-24-2 .432
    4 Jim Criner 16-24-2 .404
    5 Dan McCarney 56-87-0 .392
    6 Jim Walden 28-57-3 .335
    7 Gene Chizik 5-19-0 .208

    Edit: Actually, in looking at ISU coaching records the only once close to Chizik is Vince Difrancesca who was 6-21-1 (.232) from 1954 to 1956. That means Chizik has the worst record in the entire 117 year history of ISU football. Not one of the worst, the worst. You are right, that is saying something. And I think it's "good luck Auburn".


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    Gene Smith, 1993-2000. 7 years, 6 NCAA's, 1 bowl game. Revenue sports postseason participation 50%. Good.
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    Jamie Pollard, 2005-. 4 years. 1 bowl game, 0 NCAA's, 0 NIT's. Postseason participation: 13%. The next big step.

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    Re: A little perspective - what did we lose?

    It's not the last 2 years you should be concerned about, Monty. It's the next 3-4. Settling the team down and limiting attrition (both transfers and recruits) needs to be Job #1.



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    Re: A little perspective - what did we lose?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlantacyclone View Post
    Major League. "We just need something to bring it all together."


    This is it...

    A quick change in the right direction and we are off to the races next year. I'm going to go ahead and say that we get the six wins we need. With a better coach we might have had them the past two seasons. Its the players that matter. We have great players.
    There is only one thing left to do...win the whole ******* thing.



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    Re: A little perspective - what did we lose?

    We are losing players. That alone sucks!



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    Re: A little perspective - what did we lose?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISU_Alum_2000 View Post
    It's not the last 2 years you should be concerned about, Monty. It's the next 3-4. Settling the team down and limiting attrition (both transfers and recruits) needs to be Job #1.
    I agree, we're going to be starting over with a new coach. But honestly, given Chizik's performance in 2 years at ISU, I'm pretty confident that whover we hire will address those issues quickly and will do at least as well if not better than Chizik did.


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    Jamie Pollard, 2005-. 4 years. 1 bowl game, 0 NCAA's, 0 NIT's. Postseason participation: 13%. The next big step.

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    Re: A little perspective - what did we lose?

    We lost a friend and leader that we thought we could trust.


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    Re: I finally feel good about ISU football again

    Quote Originally Posted by atlantacyclone View Post
    I know that I was bashed on this board for voicing my opinions on Chizik for the past two seasons, but I really think that Chizik was moving the team in the wrong direction and clearly made a lot of mistakes. All season I thought that the players had the talent to win but the coaching was preventing that success. JP has the chance to put a new coach that will inspire the players and move ISU to success very soon. Hopefully the players will recognize that they can be a part of the turnaround and stick around. Next year will be big. I can feel it. I think that now we can go bowling...

    I agree Alt Clone. In a couple of years we'll look back at today as the turning point for Cyclone Football



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