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    USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook


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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    " Patience usually runs deep in Ames, where inconsistency often leads to downturns such as this season."

    Ouch.



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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    Wow, that was a vey good write up. It seems the author actually did a bit of reserch before writing it. I think it was a fair assessment of this year and next year's team.



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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    very fair assessment of both this and next year's team. Very good write up and i am excited for next year already! I might be an idiot but I get excited about all sports no matter how bad we get


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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal&Gold11 View Post
    very fair assessment of both this and next year's team. Very good write up and i am excited for next year already! I might be an idiot but I get excited about all sports no matter how bad we get

    you are not an idiot.


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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    This is the part that concerns me. If we ever want to take this program to a new level we can't fail on the recruiting trails. With all the immediate playing time we have available and these so-called recruiting ties Chizik has in Florida and Texas we haven't really seen a nocticable improvement in the talent of players he's brought in and it definitely hasn't shown in the W/L collumn. Next season this team will consist of 3 of his recruiting classes so if the talent level is supposedly getting better like some say we better start seeing it even it if it is only a 4 or 5 win season. Another 2 or 3 win season and I hate to see what is going to be said here. After next season we gain Texas, OU, and TT back on the schedule which doesn't make the task at hand any easier too.

    --The Iowa State recruiting class lacked a high-profile player with the capability of make an immediate impact among those who committed during the season. Attracting blue chippers to a remote setting such as Ames is difficult, especially after the Cyclones went 2-10. Coach Gene Chizik must cite the potential to play immediately, particularly after 11 true freshmen saw the field in 2008.


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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by travman23 View Post
    This is the part that concerns me. If we ever want to take this program to a new level we can't fail on the recruiting trails. With all the immediate playing time we have available and these so-called recruiting ties Chizik has in Florida and Texas we haven't really seen a nocticable improvement in the talent of players he's brought in and it definitely hasn't shown in the W/L collumn. Next season this team will consist of 3 of his recruiting classes so if the talent level is supposedly getting better like some say we better start seeing it even it if it is only a 4 or 5 win season. Another 2 or 3 win season and I hate to see what is going to be said here. After next season we gain Texas, OU, and TT back on the schedule which doesn't make the task at hand any easier too.


    you are quite wrong.

    Chizik has about 1 1/2 recruiting sessions in....He came in really too late on the first year.

    the athletic talent in this year's class is far better > any of Mac's classes. johnson/dark/E Johnson will turn out to have more talent > most of mac's people in 12 years.

    winning will come as his players mature and Mac's dead weight recruits are gone.


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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by Palmer View Post
    you are quite wrong.

    Chizik has about 1 1/2 recruiting sessions in....He came in really too late on the first year.

    the athletic talent in this year's class is far better > any of Mac's classes. johnson/dark/E Johnson will turn out to have more talent > most of mac's people in 12 years.

    winning will come as his players mature and Mac's dead weight recruits are gone.
    Can anybody provide any solid proof of this kind of statement? People all over this board keep going on and on about how recruiting has improved over when Mac was here, but our recruiting rankings haven't really moved much and we are still constantly rated near the bottom of the Big 12.

    I'm sure the first thing I will hear is to give it time because we are young, but if we were truly so much more talented than we have been in the past, I think we would have seen it on the field. There are plenty of teams with a lot of youth out there winning now. Off the top of my head Florida is extemely young.

    I love the optimism, but right now I can't find any reason to believe that it is anything but blind faith and kool-aid fueled interweb speculation.



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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by aeroclone View Post
    Can anybody provide any solid proof of this kind of statement? .

    Did you watch the team this year? I guess we can go round and round on this but the talent of this freshman class was as strong as I've seen in many years.



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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by aeroclone View Post
    Can anybody provide any solid proof of this kind of statement? People all over this board keep going on and on about how recruiting has improved over when Mac was here, but our recruiting rankings haven't really moved much and we are still constantly rated near the bottom of the Big 12.

    I'm sure the first thing I will hear is to give it time because we are young, but if we were truly so much more talented than we have been in the past, I think we would have seen it on the field. There are plenty of teams with a lot of youth out there winning now. Off the top of my head Florida is extemely young.

    I love the optimism, but right now I can't find any reason to believe that it is anything but blind faith and kool-aid fueled interweb speculation.
    Just look at how many juniors and seniors weren't playing big minutes compared to freshman and sophmores and that will show you that the recruiting has gotten better...

    Yes, Florida and Texas are both young, but they still get to redshirt guys to give them a year in the system and a chance to get bigger and stronger. We don't have that luxury...



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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by aeroclone View Post
    Can anybody provide any solid proof of this kind of statement? People all over this board keep going on and on about how recruiting has improved over when Mac was here, but our recruiting rankings haven't really moved much and we are still constantly rated near the bottom of the Big 12.

    I'm sure the first thing I will hear is to give it time because we are young, but if we were truly so much more talented than we have been in the past, I think we would have seen it on the field. There are plenty of teams with a lot of youth out there winning now. Off the top of my head Florida is extemely young.

    I love the optimism, but right now I can't find any reason to believe that it is anything but blind faith and kool-aid fueled interweb speculation.

    you points could be correct. I am just going off my own eyeballs.

    I have been going to games since 1989....and to me....the athletic talent of some of the freshmen looks to be the best since I have been going to games.

    and yes...the Gators are young. But the few upper classmen they have are far above Mac recruited talent we have here at State.


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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    I was definitely saddened by this line from the article:

    "the Cyclones finished 2-10 overall, 0-8 in the Big 12, the first North Division team to go winless in conference play since Iowa State did so in 2003."

    Yeesh



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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    I know this is rehash and could a, would a, should a........

    We could have been 8-4, we should have been 6-6, but no worse than 4-8.

    Iowa State 44, South Dakota State 17- good win.

    Iowa State 48, Kent State 28- the first sign that our defense may have trouble.

    Iowa 17, Iowa State 5 - turn overs and blown return coverage. Should of been a win

    UNLV 34, Iowa State 31 (OT) - I was there. Offense didn't show up in the first half and penalties. should have been a win.

    Kansas 35, Iowa State 33 - a 20-point halftime lead, Defense collapsed in 2nd half. Should have been a win.

    Baylor 38, Iowa State 10 - legitimate loss

    Nebraska 35, Iowa State 7- legitimate loss

    Texas A&M 49, Iowa State 35 -No D period. Winnable game, but barely

    Oklahoma State 59, Iowa State 17- legitimate loss

    Colorado 28, Iowa State 24- lack of passing D. We led 58 minutes of the game. One yard short at the end. Should have been a win.

    Missouri 52, Iowa State 20 -legitimate loss

    Kansas State 38, Iowa State 30- turn overs and no D. Winnable game, but barely.


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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by aeroclone View Post
    Can anybody provide any solid proof of this kind of statement?
    what kind of "proof" do you expect?

    Try this on for size. Over the last thirty years, some of the best players I have seen in a Cyclone uniform were the likes of Tracy Henderson, Keith Sims, Marcus Robertson and Todd Blythe.

    Just my opinion, based on one season, but...

    Darius Darks = Tracy Henderson
    Scott Haughton = Keith Sims
    Leonard Johnson = Marcus Robertson
    Sedrick Johnson = Todd Blythe

    And by "=" I mean "roughly equivalent to". Of course, in some cases, the current Cyclones are actually better athletes.

    And the real point being that if the "old school" guys are some of the best Cyclones scattered over the past thirty years, Chizik has matched them within one signing class.

    To me, that's "upgrading talent". But until they're seniors, it's the best "proof" I can offer you.

    Unless, of course, you want me to keep going with the comparisons?



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    Re: USA Today 2008 summary and 2009 outlook

    I've actually studied this a bit... our recruiting locations has definitely changed... a lot less Iowa kids than in early 2000's... more Texas recruits.

    Some thoughts I had....

    * Most recruits are from: Iowa, Texas, Florida, California, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kansas (in that order)
    * 4 and 5 star athletes are few and far between
    * 2002 was the highest ranked class, 2006 class was 2nd
    There may not be a correlation between star rankings and wins, but 2 star atheletes wont win the Big12
    * It could be argued that 2002 class was instrumental in 04 and 05 wins.
    * Iowa recruits have dropped significantly since the early 2000's.

    Stars: 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 Total
    1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1
    2 13 14 17 15 15 15 17 7 113
    3 8 12 10 10 15 9 7 7 78
    4 6 0 1 2 0 1 1 0 11
    5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

    Now, I know that stars don't mean everything.. but it is a decent indicator of how good the player could be. If the damn scouter says its over 9000, I'd bet its pretty freekin' close...



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