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    Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    Have you guys looked at the Rivals 150. The Big 12 is now a national basketball and football conference. The media can no longer say the Big 12 doesn't have a National Champion and now the conference is recruiting better then ever. Here's a look at the schools that have signed top 150. Colorado and Texas Tech are the only schools that don't have one. Pretty good for our conference.

    Texas - 5,8,64
    Kansas - 18,27
    K-State - 23,91,114
    Oklahoma - 31,66,100,136,145
    Baylor - 33,132,142
    Oklahoma State - 45,54,90,135
    Texas A&M - 88,122,144,150
    Iowa State - 92
    Nebraska - 115
    Missouri - 130



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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    The sad thing is that you've just shown us how far we still have to go. On the other hand, from the video of Colvin, I have a hard time believing he's only #92, and think that we have a real steal. Perhaps he's so low partly because he has so many talented teammates.



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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    Just goes to show how far we still need to go... Hopefully Colvin is just the first step...



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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    One thing to keep in mind though is that we only filled 2 scholarships in the early signing period. Getting a top 150 player is great and I think we all are excited about Colvin. Hopefully in a few years we're fretting about whether or not he will go pro.

    Gilstrap is a bit of an unknown but seems to be a scorer. His situation is unique I would say and there's really no way to rate him accurately. He could be a monster for 1 year or he could be a holdover - only time will tell.


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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    I'm not too worried... How many stars was Stephen Curry? No one wanted to sign him and he's going to be in the running for college basketball player of the year.. WJ was a 2 star recruit but ended up being better than that.

    I do think those rankings are important and it would be nice to be more on the National Recruiting front. I won't panic though either..


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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by mplscyclone View Post
    I'm not too worried... How many stars was Stephen Curry? No one wanted to sign him and he's going to be in the running for college basketball player of the year.. WJ was a 2 star recruit but ended up being better than that.
    Curry was #36 point guard and a three star... He had some decent offers too...


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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    I love when people throw out the Curry and Wesley Johnson examples. Those guys are diamonds in the rough. Point being there is a lot of rough and few diamonds.



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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    In football you can find those hidden gems, but it's tougher in basketball. Mangino has turned 5 two-stars into NFL players, but that's a lot harder to do in basketball. In basketball these guys play against each other all summer, so the star rankings are pretty good with the exception of a few players. There's still players left to be signed. The number one player in the class is down to Baylor and KU so it looks like the conference will get stronger. Baylor hired his AAU coach so I like their chances, I guess we could always trump them and hire his dad.



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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    Not concerned. In the top 150, only the top 10 are really special players. The rest are probably on par with each other. And, if you break it down by position, things will look different as well. All I care is we continue to land guys in the top 100. And hopefully, we land a guy in that top 10 range.


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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by cybsball20 View Post
    Curry was #36 point guard and a three star... He had some decent offers too...

    What were these offers: Virginia Commenwealth, William and Mary?

    He wanted to go to Va Tech and didn't get offered. He then wanted to play somewhere in the ACC and didn't get offered by any of them either.

    My point is that he's probably the best scorer in College Basketball, yet he could only get signed by a mid-major.

    What I was trying to say is that rankings aren't 100% accurate. Yes it's nice to get the best guys you can, but there are many cases of 4 and 5 star guys dissapointing and 2 and 3 start guys playing with the best.

    It's all about the system you run, and your ability to develop players. We're never going to outrecruit Kansas and Texas, but how did we beat them in the past? We got lucky with some good recruits, but I don't think we had the #1 class in the Big XII or anything.

    You can compete in college basketball without having a roster of all 4 star and 5 star guys. It all just depends on what you're doing.


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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    Yes we know rankings are not 100% accurate. But they are 90% or higher. For every Curry you name, I have 100 that were great players and were 5 star players



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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    There are some 4 and 5 star disappointments but there are very few 2 and 3 star guys that end up in the NBA. The rankings in basketball are pretty accurate. You will always see some exceptions, but they play against each other so much that the people doing the rankings have a pretty good idea how good these guys are. Sure the top 10 are special players but 11-150 don't fit in the same category. If you look back at the past rankings you will find a lot of NBA players in the top 50 and as you go up from 1-150 the players seem to have less ability. Just look back at the past rankings, it's amazing how good they really are at it. Yes there are exceptions but as a whole the basketball rating system is tons more accurate than football.



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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    Was Wesley Johnson just the best player on crappy teams, or is he really better than the 2 star ranking he had?



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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    Wesley is one of those exceptions but he still has a long ways to go if he wants to end up in the League. Here's an article I found on the net, "Wesley Johnson is a rarity in college basketball, a true under-the-radar guy who the recruiting gurus somehow missed. Rivals had Johnson ranked as only a 2-star coming out of high school, but Johnson decided to prep a year and wound up at the Patterson School in North Carolina, the school of former UK fan infatuation Marshall Mosess. From there, he finished out the 2006 season at Eldon Academy and ultimately wound up at ISU."
    I think it's BS that he transfered when it was ISU's staff that discovered him.



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    Re: Big 12 Basketball Recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by nj829 View Post
    Was Wesley Johnson just the best player on crappy teams, or is he really better than the 2 star ranking he had?
    He wasn't the best player either year. But he was on the Big 12 All freshman team if I remember correctly and there aren't a whole lot of guys that make that who are 2 star prospects.



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