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    Instant coaching success? Doesn't happen often

    Here are some interesting comparisons with Iowa State current coach Gene Chizik.

    K State Coach Bill Snyder (with cupcake schedules)
    Year One 1-10
    Year Two 5-6
    Year Three 7-4
    Year Four 5-6
    Year Five 9-2

    Iowa State Coach Dan McCarney
    Year One: 3-8
    Year Two: 2-9
    Year Three: 1-10
    Year Four: 3-8
    Year Five: 4-7
    Year Six: 9-3

    Iowa Coach Kirk Ferentz (took over a relatively strong program)
    Year One: 3-8
    Year Two: 1-10
    Year Three: 3-9
    Year Four 7-5
    Year Five: 11-2

    Kansas Coach Mark Mangino
    Year One: 2-10
    Year Two: 6-7
    Year Three: 4-7
    Year Four: 7-5
    Year Five 6-6
    Year Six 12-1

    Mizzou Coach Gary Pinkel
    Year One: 4-7
    Year Two: 5-7
    Year Three: 8-5
    Year Four: 5-6
    Year Five 7-5
    Year Six 8-5
    Year Seven 12-2

    Johnny Majors, Iowa State
    Year One 3-7
    Year Two 3-7
    Year Three 5-6
    Year Four 7-5

    Earle Bruce: Iowa State
    Year One 4-7
    Year Two 4-7
    Year Three 4-7
    Year Four 8-3
    Year Five 8-4

    All of these coaches were nearly let go except for Majors, but hung on one more season that turned the corner. Just some history.


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    Re: Instant coaching success? Doesn't happen often

    The crappy thing is - for those examples listed - there are about that many first year coaches this year, and winning.



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    Re: Instant coaching success? Doesn't happen often

    Some may win first year, depending on the talent, some may win the second. But most don't.


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    Re: Instant coaching success? Doesn't happen often

    Most of those teams did not get much worse in the second season..



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    Re: Instant coaching success? Doesn't happen often

    Are you saying that it took most of those coaches 4 years to have a winning record?

    Something has to be wrong.


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    Re: Instant coaching success? Doesn't happen often

    Good comparison.

    One thing though, KF's first season was actually his 1-10 season. Fry's final year was 3-8, and the program KF took over was at one of the lowest points in recent Iowa football history.

    So it was:

    Year One: 1-10
    Year Two: 3-8
    Year Three: 7-5
    Year Four: 11-2
    Year Five: 10-3
    Year Six: 10-2

    In all honesty, I can see Chizik getting there. But let's be honest here, he took over a horrible ISU program, and he's an inexperienced coach. It may take him longer than it took Ferentz, Alvarez, Snyder, etc... But I think he'll get there. Will Pollard wait?


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    Re: Instant coaching success? Doesn't happen often

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    The crappy thing is - for those examples listed - there are about that many first year coaches this year, and winning.
    After reading all of your posts today and continuing through tonight, I suggest you go find another team to follow. Take your negative attitude to another fan base!

    Typically I value your insight, but frankly, maybe it is time to leave the computer for a while until things settle down.





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    Re: Instant coaching success? Doesn't happen often

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernHawk View Post
    Good comparison.

    One thing though, KF's first season was actually his 1-10 season. Fry's final year was 3-8, and the program KF took over was at one of the lowest points in recent Iowa football history.

    So it was:

    Year One: 1-10
    Year Two: 3-8
    Year Three: 7-5
    Year Four: 11-2
    Year Five: 10-3
    Year Six: 10-2

    In all honesty, I can see Chizik getting there. But let's be honest here, he took over a horrible ISU program, and he's an inexperienced coach. It may take him longer than it took Ferentz, Alvarez, Snyder, etc... But I think he'll get there. Will Pollard wait?
    Thanks for the correction...and Pollard understands it takes time. He will wait for a coach of this quality to succede. The Iowa program was on a lot lower level prior to Fry...it was a shambles. Thanks.



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    Re: Instant coaching success? Doesn't happen often

    Quote Originally Posted by zach View Post
    After reading all of your posts today and continuing through tonight, I suggest you go find another team to follow. Take your negative attitude to another fan base!

    Typically I value your insight, but frankly, maybe it is time to leave the computer for a while until thinks settle down.





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    Re: Instant coaching success? Doesn't happen often

    So who would be the successfull coaches that took over down programs?



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    Re: Instant coaching success? Doesn't happen often

    Quote Originally Posted by ketelmeister View Post
    Thanks for the correction...and Pollard understands it takes time. He will wait for a coach of this quality to succede. The Iowa program was on a lot lower level prior to Fry...it was a shambles. Thanks.
    It's true. Iowa was dismal pre-Fry.

    All I'm saying is Chizik is learning on the job. I think he can get it done, but it may take longer than 4 years to post the first winning record. I hope not, because it's more fun to have two competitive teams in the state - and I like Chizik.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zach View Post
    After reading all of your posts today and continuing through tonight, I suggest you go find another team to follow. Take your negative attitude to another fan base!

    Typically I value your insight, but frankly, maybe it is time to leave the computer for a while until things settle down.





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    Can you point to where I said anything that was inaccurate?

    Thanks in advance.

    Ketel is 100% accurate. It just stinks when here we are in Year Two, and there are a nice handful of Year One coaches winning games. And to make matters worse, we lost to 3 teams with guys in their first year.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    It just stinks when here we are in Year Two, and there are a nice handful of Year One coaches winning games. And to make matters worse, we lost to 3 teams with guys in their first year.
    None of the three are really setting the world on fire and they are playing with the previous coaches players... Who happen to be better than the ones Chizik was left...



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    Quote Originally Posted by cybsball20 View Post
    So who would be the successfull coaches that took over down programs?

    Rich Rod of course. Wait......


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    Quote Originally Posted by cybsball20 View Post
    None of the three are really setting the world on fire and they are playing with the previous coaches players... Who happen to be better than the ones Chizik was left...
    Didn't say they were. :)

    But the fact remains, they beat us and have more wins than we do.

    Those are just a few examples. This is a very odd year of first year guys doing better than usual...no doubt.



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