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    Give it time to happen (long)

    I made the following post over on my "home" board, CR, but thought I'd see if it would spark some civil conversation here.

    "Poster X" made a simple yet thought-provoking post that got my wheels churning. In response to a post regarding our defensive struggles, "Poster X" simply posted the following: "Banks Braaksma Bowen Rubin" It suddenly hit me how easily some of us (including myself) are able to be talked into believing something completely illogical- in this case, believing that our defense wouldn't be significantly hurt by these losses. Now, I wasn't in the group that thought these losses would be meaningless, but I certainly tried to explain them away in an effort to get excited for the season. It's pretty clear that we're badly missing their experience and talent.

    This then got me thinking about our current talent and our recruiting. We can go 'round and 'round on this debate (I'd rather not), but I'm not sure how you can come to any conclusion other than the following: ISU needs to significantly upgrade it's overall talent, especially on defense, to compete in the Big 12. So we look to recruiting. Personally, I'm encouraged. We all know Chizik isn't reeling in a bunch of 4-stars, but he seems to be landing "consistently solid" talent that, for the most part, has stuck around. If he can avoid settling for a large number of projects and keep his classes intact, this would be a big improvement.

    Now, I'm not 100 percent sold on our staff (can you honestly be sold either way at this point?), but I'm certainly not ready to start criticizing their coaching skills. It's hard to make any fair judgments regarding a coaching staff when the talent just isn't there yet. In other words, inadequate talent can make any coach look bad. I think a good example on this very team is our special teams. Last season Iowa State probably had the most abysmal collection of special teams units that I can remember. They were terrible from top to bottom. As a result, a lot of people (including myself) started questioning coach Boulware, wondering if he was up to the task. Fast-forward just one season and Iowa State suddenly has some of the most solid special teams units in the conference. Is this because Boulware suddenly learned how to coach? No. It's because he has more tools in his toolbelt- talented young players like LJ, Mahoney, etc who can go out and make plays. It's not unreasonable to think that this will eventually happen in other areas of the team.

    Personally, I don't understand the desire to devote so much energy to questioning and criticizing the coaching staff before year 2 of a project has passed. Gene is going to be here for awhile, so we may as well sit back and enjoy the ride. It hasn't been fun so far, but at the very least we have to allow this staff time to try to improve the talent base. After that, it can go three ways:

    A. The staff succeeds in recruiting improved talent, does a good job of coaching this talent, and wins.

    B. The staff succeeds in recruiting improved talent, does a poor job of coaching this talent, and gets mixed results or loses.

    C. The staff fails in recruiting improved talent and, regardless of their coaching, most likely loses.

    If A happens, we'll all be happy and we'll have to worry about how to keep Gene at Iowa State. If B or C happen, then its time to start making polls and wondering about how many years Chizik and his staff will last. BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE IT TIME TO HAPPEN FIRST.



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    Re: Give it time to happen (long)

    Great post dude.


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    Re: Give it time to happen (long)

    Oklahoma State was playing 29 players on defense during the game. Do we have 29 players with the talent to compete right now? It doesn't appear so and we are suffering for it. If the influx of talent is as good as it looks we have a bright future. The special teams are up and coming players. The fact that they are getting better points to hope.



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    Re: Give it time to happen (long)

    Amen brother.

    I will always maintain that message boards are great places to discuss matters that concern our team, our university, and let's face it, our daily lives. And that is a good thing. However, please remember that you NEVER EVER KNOW who is reading what, about whom, and how it may affect a POTENTIAL ADDITION to the CYCLONE FAMILY. If we really want to get to places we have never been before, we can't act like the place is "going to hell in a hand basket."

    There are people in place within the university and the athletic department who are paid to make decisions that affect peoples jobs. If and when those decisions are to be made, they are made in professional and usually tactful business-like ways.

    If I were a recruit and read on a message board that the fans are calling for the dismissal of the man who sat in my living room asking me to give four to five years of my life to him, I GUARANTEE YOU, I would have second thoughts about commiting my future to him.

    Sorry for the rant. This staff needs the time to get the players that they feel they have a reasonable chance to get, and put their plan in place. I hope that nothing is said here, that might inhibit the opportunity for them to do their job.

    Go Cyclones.



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    Re: Give it time to happen (long)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Oklahoma State was playing 29 players on defense during the game. Do we have 29 players with the talent to compete right now?
    OSU played 29 players on defense because they cleared the bench when they were ahead by 42 points. That doesn't mean all of those players have the talent to compete -- they did not play anywhere near 29 players on defense against Texas or Missouri.


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    Re: Give it time to happen (long)

    Quote Originally Posted by MontyBurns View Post
    OSU played 29 players on defense because they cleared the bench when they were ahead by 42 points. That doesn't mean all of those players have the talent to compete -- they did not play anywhere near 29 players on defense against Texas or Missouri.
    Didn't the announcers make mention of the depth of both teams in the first half???



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    Re: Give it time to happen (long)

    Quote Originally Posted by leg4cy View Post
    Didn't the announcers make mention of the depth of both teams in the first half???
    yes


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    Re: Give it time to happen (long)

    Good post. I guess I didnt realize what those 3 on D meant to the team. It shows now they were HUGE losses. Same for Meyer Blythe and BB on O. There are 4 teams fighting to climb to the top on the north. Right now we are equal in the growth stage with 1 and the other 2 seem to be falling a bit behind in it. I doubt Kansas can be this good every year. There will be the chance for ISU to move up the next few years.


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    Re: Give it time to happen (long)

    Banks, Bowen, Rubin

    all in the NFL.

    How some people EVER thought our D would be just as good is mind blowing.



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