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    The boring Big XII

    And who are the dominant teams once again?

    Kansas Texas OU in basketball . . HUGE surprises there. Football . . . Texas and OU . . . HUGE surprise there.

    ISU Fan interest will be hard to sustain if this nonsense continues into the next decade. Should ISU should consider joining the Missouri Valley? . . the Big Little Ten that would be a perfect conference athletically for ISU but our population base is too small for the Big 10 . . . and the dorks would vote against it anyway.


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    Re: The boring Big XII

    Quote Originally Posted by Madclone1 View Post
    And who are the dominant teams once again?

    Kansas Texas OU in basketball . . HUGE surprises there. Football . . . Texas and OU . . . HUGE surprise there.

    ISU Fan interest will be hard to sustain if this nonsense continues into the next decade. Should ISU should consider joining the Missouri Valley? . . the Big Little Ten that would be a perfect conference athletically for ISU but our population base is too small for ISU . . . and the dorks would vote against it anyway.
    I can't wait to see the responses for this one.

    1. I doubt it will be hard for fans to keep interested in ISU sports considering ISU has hardly ever been in the elite of the big 12 or big 8 in basketball or football and we still pack the Jack and Hilton is one of the best places to watch basketball in the country.

    2. Do you honestly think that joining a MUCH weaker conference would add excitement? Let's see, would it be more fun to go to hilton and watch Kansas or Indiana State? Tough one.

    3. Not really sure what Ames' population has to do with anything when it comes to what conference we are in.

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    Re: The boring Big XII

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneryan View Post
    I can't wait to see the responses for this one.

    1. I doubt it will be hard for fans to keep interested in ISU sports considering ISU has hardly ever been in the elite of the big 12 or big 8 in basketball or football and we still pack the Jack and Hilton is one of the best places to watch basketball in the country.

    2. Do you honestly think that joining a MUCH weaker conference would add excitement? Let's see, would it be more fun to go to hilton and watch Kansas or Indiana State? Tough one.

    3. Not really sure what Ames' population has to do with anything when it comes to what conference we are in.

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    Re: The boring Big XII

    Quote Originally Posted by Madclone1 View Post
    And who are the dominant teams once again?

    Kansas Texas OU in basketball . . HUGE surprises there. Football . . . Texas and OU . . . HUGE surprise there.

    ISU Fan interest will be hard to sustain if this nonsense continues into the next decade. Should ISU should consider joining the Missouri Valley? . . the Big Little Ten that would be a perfect conference athletically for ISU but our population base is too small for ISU . . . and the dorks would vote against it anyway.
    How long has this crack bender lasted for you?

    The top teams are almost always going to be the top teams in each conference anyway. This is not a Big XII phenomenon.

    But we have seen some teams rise up. Baylor is emerging in basketball.

    Texas Tech, Missouri, Okie State, and Kansas are all rising powers in football.



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    Re: The boring Big XII

    To reply:

    1. Disagree. Fan interest is already ebbing throughout the NCAA. A few more years of being a basement dweller will do its damage. Baylor in football come to mind?

    2. Yes I do. Nothing cures losing like winning. UNI has done fairly well haven't they?

    3. T.V. numbers for a geographical area. Pittsburgh, ND, Missouri will draw more numbers than ISU.

    4. Feel threatened? I thought this was a forum not a cheer leading society. The question and comment may be irritating (and fodder for Jon's show . . since he likes to twist the knife ever so gently) . . . BUT YOU CANNOT SUSTAIN FAN INTEREST IF ISU CANNOT SUSTAIN WINING IN A BIG MONEY CONFERENCE. Our AD recognizes this and is taking huge risks to turn it around . . so far, not so good. ISU is improving but the rest of the conference is leaving ISU in the smoke.



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    Re: The boring Big XII

    Quote Originally Posted by RyCy04 View Post
    How long has this crack bender lasted for you?

    The top teams are almost always going to be the top teams in each conference anyway. This is not a Big XII phenomenon.

    But we have seen some teams rise up. Baylor is emerging in basketball.

    Texas Tech, Missouri, Okie State, and Kansas are all rising powers in football.
    I'm glad you are a fan of these other schools but I am talking about ISU here . . . unless you like cheering for Baylor?



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    Re: The boring Big XII

    Quote Originally Posted by Madclone1 View Post
    I'm glad you are a fan of these other schools but I am talking about ISU here . . . unless you like cheering for Baylor?
    Ahh... I see. Moving from the competitive A-league down to the coed rec league. I like your battle plan.



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    Re: The boring Big XII

    Quote Originally Posted by RyCy04 View Post
    Ahh... I see. Moving from the competitive A-league down to the coed rec league. I like your battle plan.

    LOL . . that rec league has whipped ISU with its A-league status consistently and frequently the last several years.



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    Re: The boring Big XII

    This is a funny thread since the b ig 12 is the best football conference in the country.

    Gene Chizik...I've been in the SEC and the big 12 is a better conference.


    Who would want to pay 350 bucks per season ticket to see games against so illinois indiana state etc...NOT ME!!!



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    Re: The boring Big XII

    Iowa State has been a bottom dweller of the conference for 80% of the entirety of our existence, and our fan support is just fine (except for the clowns that make outrageous claims like we should move to the Missouri Valley Conference.)

    We are fine in the Big 12. We have had periods of success in our history, the trick is sustaining that success. Yes, most of our programs are outclassed by others in this conference with more tradition of success, more alumni, fuller coffers, etc. Yes, a number of fans from other schools do not respect or fear us, and why should they? We need sustained success to earn our keep.

    None of us like being the punching bag for the rest of the conference, but we have an opportunity now to take our programs forward. I would much rather see ISU succeed, even sporadically, in the Big 12 than dominate perennially in the MVC.

    We will be fine. Relax, stop being outrageous, and support the Cyclones.



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    Re: The boring Big XII

    Quote Originally Posted by cardinal&gold View Post
    Iowa State has been a bottom dweller of the conference for 80% of the entirety of our existence, and our fan support is just fine (except for the clowns that make outrageous claims like we should move to the Missouri Valley Conference.)

    We are fine in the Big 12. We have had periods of success in our history, the trick is sustaining that success. Yes, most of our programs are outclassed by others in this conference with more tradition of success, more alumni, fuller coffers, etc. Yes, a number of fans from other schools do not respect or fear us, and why should they? We need sustained success to earn our keep.

    None of us like being the punching bag for the rest of the conference, but we have an opportunity now to take our programs forward. I would much rather see ISU succeed, even sporadically, in the Big 12 than dominate perennially in the MVC.

    We will be fine. Relax, stop being outrageous, and support the Cyclones.
    Yes . . I have been a "clown" and supporter since 1971 . . the question posed was hypothetical. I've been there through thick and thin. I am perfectly relaxed. You like the several others here need to think outside the box once in a while . . you may come back with a deeper commitment to the program and ISU's future success. I will NOT be intimidated by your name calling or bluster.
    For sure, ISU had been start winning in the next couple years or the conference commish will tell us all to take a hike . . whether you like it or not.



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    Re: The boring Big XII

    Quote Originally Posted by Madclone1 View Post
    For sure, ISU had been start winning in the next couple years or the conference commish will tell us all to take a hike . . whether you like it or not.


    Uhh... KSU and ISU have had much, much worse periods in their history and we haven't been kicked out yet. As long as Pollard has a commitment to winning and improving facilities there isn't a chance of it happening.

    Regardless if ISU joins the MVC I'll stop supporting ISU athletics. I'll always love this university but to essentially give up on competing against the best would be pathetic and I wouldn't want that representing me.



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    Re: The boring Big XII

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post


    Uhh... KSU and ISU have had much, much worse periods in their history and we haven't been kicked out yet. As long as Pollard has a commitment to winning and improving facilities there isn't a chance of it happening.

    Regardless if ISU joins the MVC I'll stop supporting ISU athletics. I'll always love this university but to essentially give up on competing against the best would be pathetic and I wouldn't want that representing me.
    Now see . .that was a decent reply. I see Pollard as a very strong leader who will lead us out of this mess. I hope he stays long enough to see the fruit of his labor (for hawk lurkers . . that means SUCCESS). I would hate to see ISU drop down to the MV . . but if we take care of business that shouldn't happen.



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    Re: The boring Big XII

    Quote Originally Posted by Madclone1 View Post
    Yes . . I have been a "clown" and supporter since 1971 . . the question posed was hypothetical. I've been there through thick and thin. I am perfectly relaxed. You like the several others here need to think outside the box once in a while . . you may come back with a deeper commitment to the program and ISU's future success. I will NOT be intimidated by your name calling or bluster.
    For sure, ISU had been start winning in the next couple years or the conference commish will tell us all to take a hike . . whether you like it or not.
    I am not trying to intimidate you. I just think it is ridiculous to claim that we better switch conferences, else the Big 12 will kick us out for losing too much. Does that really happen? We have had awful, awful stretches, but we were never kicked out of the Big 8. You think if we don't start winning in the next couple years (by 2011, let's say), that the Big 12 will say "So long"? I think that's a little extreme. I suppose the Big 12 doesn't care about our successful programs, like WBB, Wrestling, and volleyball, because football and MBB are struggling, right?

    I apologize for name calling, that was not appropriate, but I strongly disagree with your premise.



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    Re: The boring Big XII

    Quote Originally Posted by cardinal&gold View Post
    I am not trying to intimidate you. I just think it is ridiculous to claim that we better switch conferences, else the Big 12 will kick us out for losing too much. Does that really happen? We have had awful, awful stretches, but we were never kicked out of the Big 8. You think if we don't start winning in the next couple years (by 2011, let's say), that the Big 12 will say "So long"? I think that's a little extreme. I suppose the Big 12 doesn't care about our successful programs, like WBB, Wrestling, and volleyball, because football and MBB are struggling, right?

    I apologize for name calling, that was not appropriate, but I strongly disagree with your premise.
    Okay . . apology accepted. But we need to be able to talk about these things because . . such things cross the minds of some Cyclone fans. This ought to be a safe forum to discuss these things. Sometimes, by posting a "foil" others can see where our fan base is. I was very sincere in posting what I did not to hack people off but to investigate where we are going with our men's programs. The women are fine.



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