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    The Bates Effect?

    I was just thinking that maybe Bates' departure is hurting us more than we think. Maybe its just a coincidence, but we have played our worst 2 offensive games of the season since his departure.

    Is it possible that teams now only have Arnaud to focus on for game prep? And now with our backup having a redshirt tag on him, teams know we aren't going to be running our QB a lot. Teams no longer have to worry about which QB may play per offensive series.

    While unlikely, is it possible Arnaud doesn't have that extra push to maintain the starting job and that he knows that basically no matter what, the job is his?

    Personally, I think no having Bates is having a bigger impact than many will admit.



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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneworld View Post
    I was just thinking that maybe Bates' departure is hurting us more than we think. Maybe its just a coincidence, but we have played our worst 2 offensive games of the season since his departure.

    Is it possible that teams now only have Arnaud to focus on for game prep? And now with our backup having a redshirt tag on him, teams know we aren't going to be running our QB a lot. Teams no longer have to worry about which QB may play per offensive series.

    While unlikely, is it possible Arnaud doesn't have that extra push to maintain the starting job and that he knows that basically no matter what, the job is his?

    Personally, I think no having Bates is having a bigger impact than many will admit.
    I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up before now.

    I think there is more going on than just the QB position. This spiral downward is getting in their heads.



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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    I dont think Arnaud thinks that way at all. I think he is more hesitant now because he doesnt want to get injured, but I dont think his play has decreased because he is feeling like the king now.



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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    We weren't playing 4 quarters before he left, and we aren't playing 4 quarters after he left.

    Do I think his departure probably has SOME affect on the team, sure.

    Do I think it is the reason we have played like complete crap, no.



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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    I think AA is feeling more pressure because he doesn't have his security blanket. Against UNLV, Iowa, and Kent State AA played poorly until Bates came in. Then when AA came back into the game, he seemed to play much better.


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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    Bates would be playing more right now, but not because he's better.



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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    If Bates leaving is hurting us, I think it is because the players are starting to question the coach. Remember, Bates didn't even play in the Kansas game and he got very little time in the UNLV game. AA carried the ball 7 times in the Nebraska game, so I don't think it is the lack of QB runs.

    Strategically, the only way it hurts is if AA gets hurt. I think most of the blame should be on the coaches. I think that Chizik is a good coach, but I have to question some of the play calling and abundance of penalties. Seriously, an HB screen on 3 and 1, I'm going to hold that against McFarland for as long as he is here.



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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    Quote Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0 View Post
    I think AA is feeling more pressure because he doesn't have his security blanket. Against ISU and Kent State AA played poorly until Bates came in. Then when AA came back into the game, he seemed to play much better.
    When did we play ourselves?



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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    I believe that the area that Bates' departure impacts the most is our opponent's defensive preparation. With our two QB system opponents would have to prepare for two different schemes. That takes time during practice. It is why coaches show unique formations or plays, as an effort to force teams to take time during practice to cover certain scenarios.

    Is this why we have played ugly lately? Probably not...but it does impact the preparation of our opponents.



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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    Team Chemistry is Huge in Football. You can't measure it, you can't buy it. It has to be earned. I think ISU had "OK" team chemistry before Bates left, ISU was a couple of plays away from being 4-1 "with Iowa being a very winnable game".

    Bates leaves and the Offense goes in the TANK. TEAM CHEMISTRY went back with him to Omaha.

    The Big Question is: can ISU get it back or when will ISU get Uncle MO back on our sideline? GOD, I hope it is this weekend.



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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    I don't think it's having much of an effect, he wasn't playing defense which is part of our long list of problems right now.


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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    I have no idea if this is true, but someone told me that Arnaud hurt his arm sometime before or during the Baylor game. It must not be too severe, but it could have an effect on his ability to throw the ball downfield. That could explain why most of the passes were very short.

    IF this is true, then Bates probably would have been playing against Baylor and Nebraska.



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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    I think it hurt contributed to the possibility that some players are tuning the coaches out.



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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    Quote Originally Posted by CompCy View Post
    I have no idea if this is true, but someone told me that Arnaud hurt his arm sometime before or during the Baylor game. It must not be too severe, but it could have an effect on his ability to throw the ball downfield. That could explain why most of the passes were very short.

    IF this is true, then Bates probably would have been playing against Baylor and Nebraska.
    Our passes have been short all year long. We run 5 yard out patterns on 3 and 10, just about every damn time.



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    Re: The Bates Effect?

    Quote Originally Posted by CompCy View Post
    I have no idea if this is true, but someone told me that Arnaud hurt his arm sometime before or during the Baylor game. It must not be too severe, but it could have an effect on his ability to throw the ball downfield. That could explain why most of the passes were very short.

    IF this is true, then Bates probably would have been playing against Baylor and Nebraska.
    Austin's shoulder is dinged up and it is impacting his throwing. It happened during the Baylor game. If Bates was here he would probaly be playing right now, perhaps even starting.

    Austin's injury is not enough to rip a redshirt off someone, but it is hampering his effectiveness.



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