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    Talent (not as long as it looks)

    Talent is something that gets talked about a lot on ISU message boards. Some say our talent level is too low, while others say our talent level is higher than people think and coaching is the problem. Obviously the two are tied together in many ways, as talent must be developed by coaches, and coaches have to put their players in the best position to succeed.

    Letís take a look at our talent level for a moment. Understand that talent level is about more than just quality. Quantity, experience, and talent at key positions play a huge role. It all starts on the lines, so letís look at the last five years of recruiting on the offensive line.

    2004

    Jordan Goos
    Didnít last long, never played

    Brandon Johnson
    Started last year, not real talented but tries hard

    Kody Kuehl
    Didnít last long, never played

    Landon Streit
    Didnít last long, never played

    Joe Vanstrom
    Still here, good at waving towel but never plays

    2005

    Jason Fiacco
    Didnít last long, never played

    Paul Fisher
    Two-year JUCO, hardly ever played

    Scott Fisher
    The fact that he started for two years said something about our OL talent

    Reggie Stephens
    Has started most of his career, good player

    2006

    Ben Lamaak
    Converted TE, starter, good young player

    Matt Hulbert
    Has chance to be a good player with more development

    Lee Tibbs
    Two-year JUCO, started a few games as a senior

    Jose Vargas
    Didnít last long, never played

    Enter Gene Chizik

    2007

    Alex Alvarez
    Three-year JUCO, currently starting, but still young

    Trey Baysinger
    Still young

    Joe Blaes
    Two-year JUCO, now a TE, rarely plays

    James Carpenter
    Didnít make it to school, now a highly-recruited JUCO player

    Doug Dedrick
    Two-year JUCO, has started ever since he got here

    Joseph Klerekoper
    Still young

    Joe McMahon
    Didnít even make it through spring ball

    Kelechi Osemele
    Last yearís Offensive Scout Team POY, still young

    2008

    Brayden Burris
    Redshirting

    Carter Bykowski
    Currently a TE but has future OT written all over him

    Scott Haughton
    Playing as a true freshman

    Hayworth Hicks
    Three-year JUCO, still young

    Ethan Tuftee
    Grayshirting

    As you can see, the majority of the offensive linemen still in the program were recruited by the current staff. Thatís not good when you consider how long it takes to develop offensive linemen. The only players recruited before 2006 (Macís last class) that have a chance to contribute much this year and next are Reggie Stephens and former walk-on Mike Knapp. The problem here is inexperience. The offensive line needs another year or two of development, and we canít have the level of attrition that hurt the past staff. Now letís look at the defensive line.

    2004

    Fabian Dodd
    Two-year JUCO, moved to OL and was mostly a back-up

    Collins Eboh
    DE recruit, went to JUCO

    Travis Ferguson
    DE recruit, still here but rarely plays (though heís played more this year)

    Nick Frere
    Converted from LB to DE, back-up

    Jason McGinty
    DT recruit, didnít last long, never played

    Kurtis Taylor
    Actually a 2003 grayshirt, pretty good player

    2005

    Stephon Dale
    DT recruit, didnít last long, never played

    John Machado
    Two-year JUCO DE, played as a back-up

    Thomas Patton
    Two-year JUCO DE, didnít last long, never played

    Eric Schultz
    Converted to TE, got hurt

    2006

    Austin Alburtis
    DT recruit, still young

    Collins Eboh
    Never made it back from JUCO

    Nate Frere
    Started some games as a true freshman at DT, current starter, okay player

    Bailey Johnson
    DT recruit, still young, hasnít played this year due to injury

    Patrick Neal
    Grayshirted and moved to TE/FB, still only a freshman

    Rashawn Parker
    Stared some games as a true freshman at DE, started last year and this year

    John Richardson
    Never made it here

    Ahtyba Rubin
    Two-year JUCO DT, very good starter by the end of his career

    Enter Gene Chizik

    2007

    Randy Kellman
    Didnít last long, never played

    Chris Lyle
    Three-year JUCO DE, plays enough that heís practically a starter

    Jerrod Black
    Last yearís Defensive Scout Team POY, still young

    Michael Tate
    Two-year JUCO DT, current starter, okay player

    Chris Weir
    Two-year JUCO DT, back-up

    2008

    Cleyon Laing
    DE recruit, redshirting

    Chase Harper
    Possible DE recruit but may also be a TE, grayshirting and still needs to qualify

    Roosevelt Maggitt
    DE recruit, redshirting

    Jake McDonough
    DT recruit, redshirting

    Stephen Ruempolhamer
    DT recruit, playing as a true freshman

    Once again, the majority of the defensive linemen currently in the program were recruited by the current staff. Only three pre-2006 recruits are still around. Defensive line is also a position that takes time to develop, so our struggles here are not surprising.

    You can take a look at the recruiting at a lot of positions, and you will see similar things for the most part. However, you can be inexperienced at a lot of positions and be okay as long as the lines are experienced. Unfortunately, we are inexperienced where experience and development matter most.


    Last edited by cyfan15; 10-20-2008 at 09:46 AM.

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    Re: Talent (not as long as it looks)

    We really need James Carpenter, I wonder how his visit went?



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    Re: Talent (not as long as it looks)

    On a side note, in your 2005 recruiting class on the defensive side of the ball, Erich Schultz did make it here. He was converted to TE and would most likely be playing right now ahead of Catlett if it wasnt for a career ending knee injury.



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    Re: Talent (not as long as it looks)

    KO played most of the nebraska game, but im sad to say he did not probably have his best game ever.. i think he has plenty of upside, but he isnt showing it yet.
    he got blown up quite a bit.



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    Re: Talent (not as long as it looks)

    Quote Originally Posted by IOWASTATE View Post
    On a side note, in your 2005 recruiting class on the defensive side of the ball, Erich Schultz did make it here. He was converted to TE and would most likely be playing right now ahead of Catlett if it wasnt for a career ending knee injury.
    Didn't know that, thanks for the info. I'll correct it above.



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    Re: Talent (not as long as it looks)

    As I understand it from someone from Fort Myers, we were lucky to get Stephon Dale and Chris Singleton into school, let alone Singleton staying eligible all four season.

    I'll also point out that it's interesting that you consider Alburtis and Johnson "still young", but not Nate Frere, their classmate, just because he didn't redshirt. I'd say all three are inexperienced, Alburtis worst of all because he spent so much time rehabbing from knee injuries. On his high school film, he impressed me as an excellent athlete with a nose for the ball. I'm looking forward to seeing him develop.

    It's also a point to note that several of the "young" guys have missed time due to injury this fall, which not only plays havic with depth and the rotation, but their development as well.



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    Re: Talent (not as long as it looks)

    When I say "young", I mean they are underclassmen who still have a lot of time to develop. Nate Frere and Rashawn Parker unfortunately didn't get a redshirt year in 2006 that they probably could have used.



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    Re: Talent (not as long as it looks)

    Great writeup cyfan. I was trying to make the same point with
    http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/...-time-bit.html
    but didn't want to put in the time that you did...



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    Re: Talent (not as long as it looks)

    Nice write-up, that I think people need to see.



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