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    End the sideline audible playcalling!

    I apologize if there has been a thread already on this subject, but I haven't seen one specifically dedicated to this.

    It seems to me that the coaches are micromanaging the team which results in an offense that is completely unsure of itself. Frankly, I believe we'd be better if AA was put in the position where he would have more responsibility/accountability. As it stands now, he has very little pressure as every play is called, then confirmed by the coaches on the sideline. I have to wonder if AA is even really looking at and thinking about the opposing D. I remember an article/interview earlier in the year where both AA and Bates said that the sideline check makes it easy, and that it takes a lot of the pressure off of them. I, for one, think AA plays better with pressure (UNLV 2nd half). We need AA to recognize the defense and call his own audibles if we want the offense to take it to the next level.

    Instead, we have an offense that slowly waddles along. There is a ridiculous amount of time at the line, allowing the defense to take a good long look at how we are aligned. With the limited playbook that we seem to have, it is no wonder that the defense seems to be able to tell what is coming before we actually run it. The current system will never allow us to catch a defense off guard or in the wrong alignment (note the ineffectiveness of slant routes, though this is also due to not-so-good downfield blocking by the WRs). Furthermore, every time we do actually get a drive going and put the defense on their heels, we slow things down to a point where we lose the momentum.

    I know the coaches have their reasons for implementing this system, but there have been major problems throughout the year. How many delay of game penalties have been directly caused by the coaches on the sideline? This, to me, is absolutely asinine. I'm completely frustrated with the situation and hope that with another year of experience, AA will be calling the audibles himself. Anyone have any thoughts?



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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    I feeel AA is operating under huge constraints also. He is better than this.


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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    Because of the sideline playcalling, ISU could have lost a fumble recovery. Since ISU was so slow at the line, the play was allowed to be reviewed. ISU got to keep the ball but momentum was killed. Think if that play was overturned, that woudl have been a HUGE mistake.



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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    It is probably what makes Mizzou's offense so bad too.



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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    If you watch a lot of college football you will notice that this is how the game is changing. Lots of teams are beginning to take this approach to the game. I belive Mizzou and KU are 2 in our own conference who use this strategy to some extent. Other BCS teams are using it as well, I just can't think of the teams off the top of my head that I have seen run this. The game of football is constantly evolving and changing, and this is just one way.



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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    Our problem as we look to the sideline is we are trying to decide between a 4 yard pass or a 2 yard blast. With several big receivers, we are unable to take advantage of them.


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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Our problem as we look to the sideline is we are trying to decide between a 4 yard pass or a 2 yard blast. With several big receivers, we are unable to take advantage of them.

    Exactly, poor throws and drops (adding in a lack of a running game ) has lead our coaching staff no other choice.



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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    How we get the plays into our players is the least of our problems right now.



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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    I continue to remember seeing 8 NE people within 5 yards of the ball and wonder why they can play that way while we never figure out obut one play that works all day. The NE defenders have been burned all year by assignment mixups except for yesterday. Could it be our schemes?


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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    Quote Originally Posted by twojman View Post
    Because of the sideline playcalling, ISU could have lost a fumble recovery. Since ISU was so slow at the line, the play was allowed to be reviewed. ISU got to keep the ball but momentum was killed. Think if that play was overturned, that woudl have been a HUGE mistake.
    This is my big issue with the "check with me" playcalling. In situations like that, Austen should be told before going out onto the field "just get them lined up and run the play as quickly as possible!! Don't check with us!"

    Not only this, but I think we need to allow Austen to check down to other plays quickly so that it keeps the defense off balance. Really wish we would see more no-huddle offense if we're going to use the check with me playcalling.



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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    Quote Originally Posted by BKLYNCyclone View Post
    I apologize if there has been a thread already on this subject, but I haven't seen one specifically dedicated to this.

    It seems to me that the coaches are micromanaging the team which results in an offense that is completely unsure of itself. Frankly, I believe we'd be better if AA was put in the position where he would have more responsibility/accountability. As it stands now, he has very little pressure as every play is called, then confirmed by the coaches on the sideline. I have to wonder if AA is even really looking at and thinking about the opposing D. I remember an article/interview earlier in the year where both AA and Bates said that the sideline check makes it easy, and that it takes a lot of the pressure off of them. I, for one, think AA plays better with pressure (UNLV 2nd half). We need AA to recognize the defense and call his own audibles if we want the offense to take it to the next level.

    Instead, we have an offense that slowly waddles along. There is a ridiculous amount of time at the line, allowing the defense to take a good long look at how we are aligned. With the limited playbook that we seem to have, it is no wonder that the defense seems to be able to tell what is coming before we actually run it. The current system will never allow us to catch a defense off guard or in the wrong alignment (note the ineffectiveness of slant routes, though this is also due to not-so-good downfield blocking by the WRs). Furthermore, every time we do actually get a drive going and put the defense on their heels, we slow things down to a point where we lose the momentum.

    I know the coaches have their reasons for implementing this system, but there have been major problems throughout the year. How many delay of game penalties have been directly caused by the coaches on the sideline? This, to me, is absolutely asinine. I'm completely frustrated with the situation and hope that with another year of experience, AA will be calling the audibles himself. Anyone have any thoughts?
    By getting to the line, it forces the defense to take a position and limits their ability to make substitutions. With the team at the line and the defense deployed the offense has the advantage in being able to call plays that can exploit the defense.

    Its a theory.



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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    Quote Originally Posted by SpokaneCY View Post
    By getting to the line, it forces the defense to take a position and limits their ability to make substitutions. With the team at the line and the defense deployed the offense has the advantage in being able to call plays that can exploit the defense.

    Its a theory.
    Around the country, there are losing teams as well as winning teams who use this system. I think it depends more on the play that's called and who wins the individual battles among the players.



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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    Quote Originally Posted by SpokaneCY View Post
    By getting to the line, it forces the defense to take a position and limits their ability to make substitutions. With the team at the line and the defense deployed the offense has the advantage in being able to call plays that can exploit the defense.

    Its a theory.
    In order for this theory to work, we shouldn't be huddling. When we huddle, we give the defense a chance to substitute.

    Get up to the line quickly in a standard set without huddling, force the defense to line up without subbing, THEN adjust the play. Have a set play ready to go in case the defense doesn't respect the no-huddle and they try to sub, that way when you line up you can run the play if they either have too many men on the field or they are discombobulated.



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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    I don't like it. I also don't like the audible mike in an NFL QB's head. Just let them play.



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    Re: End the sideline audible playcalling!

    Quote Originally Posted by cycopath25 View Post
    How we get the plays into our players is the least of our problems right now.
    I agree with this.

    I have no problem with the sideline checks, but it doesn't seem to be exploiting anything the defense may be doing.



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