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    FG vs TD

    This obviously comes from our decision to kick a FG, down by 14 with 12 minutes left in the game, but it is a broader question beyond ISU because 99% of the college and pro coaches would likely make the same call. Our game is just an example.

    First example from a Bears fan. Bears vs. Patriots a few years ago. Bears are down 10-17 in the 4th quarter with around 3:30 left. 4th down with the ball on the 15 yard line. The bottom line is you need a touchdown to win and this is one of your opportunities to get it in the end zone. Lovie decides to kick a field goal, but the Bears still need a touchdown to win and have wasted one of their TD opportunities. Even if you get the ball back, the Pats will have likely run enough clock to make your TD effort a hurried stretch.

    Forward to today. Cyclones down by two touchdowns. 4th down in the red zone with 12 minutes to go. The bottom line is we need two touchdowns to at least tie the game. A touchdown every six minutes. If we kick the field goal, we still need a TD/6 minutes albeit to win. However you are also factoring in three NU drives after kicking off each time unless you're banking on an on-sides kick.

    As a coach I would look at these as touchdown "opportunties" for lack of a better description. It really doesn't matter if it's 4th and short or long as in our case. I would really think taking a shot at a TD would be a better "bang for your buck" so to speak. When your TD/minute ratio is getting that low and you have a shot to score in the red zone and reduce that ratio, why not take it? That ratio does not change with the FG. Those opportunities don't crop up that often. Most coaches talk about putting points on the board, but I would argue they don't mean much when you're playing from behind and minutes count.



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    Re: FG vs TD

    I agree, I wasn't a huge fan of the FG call today, and that was BEFORE it was tipped and missed.



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    Re: FG vs TD

    Wasn't it 4th and 13 though? and I believe we would've had the ball twice
    more(probably). I"m not totally against it there.



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    Re: FG vs TD

    Quote Originally Posted by Dolokaju View Post
    Wasn't it 4th and 13 though? and I believe we would've had the ball twice
    more(probably). I"m not totally against it there.
    I think it was more like 4th and 4. We would have still needed 2 TD's to win, and the way we were moving the ball that wasn't likely.

    I would have gone. Show your team you are playing to win



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    Re: FG vs TD

    in that situation we need touchdowns PERIOD!!



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    Re: FG vs TD

    or at least go for it what do you have to lose?



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    Re: FG vs TD

    AA couldn't hit the broad side of the barn today, the FG was the right call at the time. The defense was playing very well and there was a lot of time left. Mahoney had been one of the bright spots of the season - unfortunately he missed it.



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    Re: FG vs TD

    4th and 8, IIRC.

    The field goal means that 2 TD's win it, no overtime, and we had momentum. Nitpick all you want, this isn't one of them.



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    Re: FG vs TD

    The way LJ was forcing turnovers, I'd say it was the right decision to go for the FG.


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    Re: FG vs TD

    Quote Originally Posted by erikbj View Post
    AA couldn't hit the broad side of the barn today, the FG was the right call at the time. The defense was playing very well and there was a lot of time left. Mahoney had been one of the bright spots of the season - unfortunately he missed it.
    I agree AA was off his mark, but I'd say that would be all the more reason to go for it. How many more red zone opportunities do you think we would get? Teams need to capitalize on these shots with a TD.

    I'm not singling out Chizik. Most coaches would do this. Kinda like baseball managers who switch pitchers because it's a righty vs righty match-up, only to end up with a lefty vs. lefty matchup after the pinch hitter. It seems like sports have these long standing traditions that may not make much sense.

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    Re: FG vs TD

    Quote Originally Posted by 83Clone View Post
    I think it was more like 4th and 4. We would have still needed 2 TD's to win, and the way we were moving the ball that wasn't likely.

    I would have gone. Show your team you are playing to win

    4th and 13 at the 23.

    If Bass doesn't get smoked 5 yards behind the line on 2nd and 8, you might have seen an attempt to get the first down.



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    Re: FG vs TD

    Another question I don't really have an answer for is how long the average set of three downs lasts with the new 40 second play clock. Say the average play lasts 5 seconds of play clock. If the ball stays in play 3 downs and then a punt the game clocks runs around 3 minutes? I don't pay that close of attention. That means a team would run around 6 minutes off the clock per possession?



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    Re: FG vs TD

    A 3-and out could take about 2:25, if you stay inbounds and use the entire play clock.

    1st down - 5 seconds
    40-second play clock
    2nd down - 5 seconds
    40-second play clock
    3rd down - 5 seconds
    40-second play clock
    4th down - punt (appx 10 seconds)



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    Re: FG vs TD

    Quote Originally Posted by theshadow View Post
    A 3-and out could take about 2:25, if you stay inbounds and use the entire play clock.

    1st down - 5 seconds
    40-second play clock
    2nd down - 5 seconds
    40-second play clock
    3rd down - 5 seconds
    40-second play clock
    4th down - punt (appx 10 seconds)
    Ok, so say we get the FG at 12 minutes. We kick and hold Nebraska. Now the clocks down to about 9:30. I have no idea what a typical scoring drive consumes, so I looked at NU's average from this game. About 4 minutes. Say we do score a TD. Now it's down to 5:30 left. Another perfect NU three and out. Now the clock's down to 3 minutes. I'll throw in an extra two minutes to account for clock stopages, and us burning our TOs. We have around five minutes to score our last TD using the aforementioned average drive. This is doable, but it would require perfect play on both sides of the ball.

    That's cutting it rather close and is a best case scenario considering we score each possession and Nebraksa doesn't get any first downs. Red zone scoring opportunities are limited and we were crunched for time. At that 12 minute forth down, we essentially had three chances to score two TDs, with or without the FG. Kicking the FG pins us down to 2 TDs in two chances. And did I mention our season average red zone TD conversion rate is 50%.



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    Re: FG vs TD

    We were frickin' 2 of 13 on 3rd down today. How many think we had even a 25% chance of converting on 4th and 13? Not I.

    I didn't love the FG call but I did agree with it.



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