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    Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    Iowa State ranks 9th in the Big12 at 55 in football and 12th in MBB at 29. On a good note we are 4th in the Big12 in WBB at 93.

    Big 12 falls below national averages in graduation rates

    11:15 PM CDT on Tuesday, October 14, 2008

    By KATE HAIROPOULOS / The Dallas Morning News
    khairopoulos@dallasnews.com The Associated Press contributed to this report.

    In the Big 12, most football and men's basketball programs rank below the national average in graduating players.

    The NCAA on Tuesday released its latest graduation success rates, based on incoming freshmen from 1998 to 2001 graduating within six years. The national trend shows overall graduation rates are up to 78 percent over the four-year period and a highest-ever 79 percent for student-athletes who enrolled in 2001. NCAA president Myles Brand's goal is 80 percent over four years........
    Big 12 falls below national averages in graduation rates | Sports News | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News


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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    Hmmmm . . . okay. I guess ISU needs to get on board graduating marginal "student athletes" regardless of performance in class. Isn't that really the message here? . . this is mandated social engineering by the NCAA.


    On the other hand . . . B.F. gets the cream of the crop . . real student athletes who don't quit when the going gets tough. Bye bye Bates.


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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    I can't prove this but I'd say the rash of coaching changes in the conference and at ISU in particular does not help this situation in MBB. Seems like everytime you cahnge a MBB caoch half the roster leaves in the first 2 years. Big XII has had a lot of coaching turnover. Our football number surprises me. I guess I'll blame that one on Bates since he is " not in good standing".



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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    Wow. Disappointing. Especially in light of the fact that these programs have not been winning (not that winning should make a difference...but we all know that it does in terms of how much off field stuff like this is tolerated).

    What I am curious of is what all of you that are always telling us "we are trying to do things the right way" and that you would rather "lose with honor than win the wrong way" have to say in light of these stats?



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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    I just read the entire article. This is a huge indictment of two people...Larry Eustachy and Dan McCarney. The analysis looks at the graduation rates within 6 years for incoming freshmen from 1998 through 2001. That means that McCarney was the only FB coach we had during this period and that Eustachy was the primary BB coach during this period (1 Floyd year at the beginning and 3 Morgan years at the end).

    Here are the brutal facts:

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    + National average was 62%.
    + We are dead last in the Big 12 at 29%.
    + OSU (92%), NU (77%), K-State (67%) and KU (64%) are the only conference schools that beat the national average.

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    + National average was 67%.
    + We are 9th in the Big 12 at 55%...only KU (53%), UT (50%), and OU (46%) are below us.
    + Texas Tech (79%), NU (78%), Baylor (78%), CU (75%), and K-State (67%) are the only conference schools that beat the national average.



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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    If you are going to have bad academics at least have great athletes.



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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    Quote Originally Posted by ajk4st8 View Post
    If you are going to have bad academics at least have great athletes.
    I really don't see how this determines whether or not we have bad academics? Rather, how many players commit to us and then leave before they have a chance to graduate...



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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    Where is Jonathan ******** to manipulate these numbers?



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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    Quote Originally Posted by ajk4st8 View Post
    If you are going to have bad academics at least have great athletes.
    Agree completely. Often poor graduation rates are because of the sport doing well. Few players leave early for the pros, some transfer to other schools so they can start (e.g. Bates). Either way is fine with me, but we haven't been good at the sports with the lowest grad rates.

    When the most successful program (WBB) has the highest rates, there is something wrong. Lets hope that it is because of coaching changes and not something else and that things will start to improve.



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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    Quote Originally Posted by jaretac View Post
    Agree completely. Often poor graduation rates are because of the sport doing well. Few players leave early for the pros, some transfer to other schools so they can start (e.g. Bates). Either way is fine with me, but we haven't been good at the sports with the lowest grad rates.

    When the most successful program (WBB) has the highest rates, there is something wrong. Lets hope that it is because of coaching changes and not something else and that things will start to improve.
    I'd bet the farm on it.



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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    Quote Originally Posted by jaretac View Post
    Agree completely. Often poor graduation rates are because of the sport doing well. Few players leave early for the pros, some transfer to other schools so they can start (e.g. Bates). Either way is fine with me, but we haven't been good at the sports with the lowest grad rates.

    When the most successful program (WBB) has the highest rates, there is something wrong. Lets hope that it is because of coaching changes and not something else and that things will start to improve.
    You really need to compare WBB to WBB at the other schools and MBB to MBB at the other schools, and FB to FB to the other schools...not WBB to MBB to FB. Our grad rate for WBB is nice but there are 3 other conference schools with better rates (all 100%).

    The blunt reality is that with womens sports and the other non-revenue olympic type sports, the athletes feel more pressure to graduate because their tends to not be a lucrative professional league to aspire to for the sport. Please don't shower me with a "what about the WNBA" discussion. I believe this league pays most of its players less than $50,000 a year.



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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonenum1 View Post
    You really need to compare WBB to WBB at the other schools and MBB to MBB at the other schools, and FB to FB to the other schools...not WBB to MBB to FB. Our grad rate for WBB is nice but there are 3 other conference schools with better rates (all 100%).

    The blunt reality is that with womens sports and the other non-revenue olympic type sports, the athletes feel more pressure to graduate because their tends to not be a lucrative professional league to aspire to for the sport. Please don't shower me with a "what about the WNBA" discussion. I believe this league pays most of its players less than $50,000 a year.
    I don't know if you looked at it at all, but ISU has the 3rd highest grad rates in the Big12 for WBB. Football is ranked 9th in the Big12 and MBB is dead last in grad rates.

    I'm not sure what your point is, because compared to other schools, our WBB has one of the higher grad rates. Compared to other schools, our football and MBB is lower then most Big12 schools. Our WBB program is good, our MBB and football programs are bad. I still say that there is no excuss for our MBB and football to have bad grad rates.


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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    So this does not include and player that was a Freshman Wayne Morgan's First year, any player G-Mac has recruited of GC has recruited. It is players that were Freshman in 2001 or later.

    2002
    Tim Barnes
    Jackson Vroman
    Jerome Harper
    Adam Haluska
    Chris Alexander

    2001
    Jared Homan
    Tommie King
    Ricky Morgan
    Adam Schaper
    2000
    Ernest Brown
    Omar Bynum
    Zach Fortune
    Marcus Jefferson
    Tyray Pearson
    Shane Power
    Andrew Skoglund
    Jake Sullivan

    1999
    Richard Evans
    Brandon Hawkins
    Jamaal Tinsley
    Thomas Watkins

    Those in Bold Graduated from Iowa State

    After looking at this I want to know how anyone finished lower then us


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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    Its not getting better WM and GM are not setting the world on fire.

    GMac already lost every player in one of his 3 classes.



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    Re: Big12 Graduation rates below national average

    Quote Originally Posted by CyGuy33 View Post
    After looking at this I want to know how anyone finished lower then us
    They didn't- we are dead last.

    Quote Originally Posted by troyrew View Post
    GMac already lost every player in one of his 3 classes.
    At least that isn't as bad as losing an entire football class like one coach we know.


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