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    Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    Not trying to beat a dead horse here, and I'm fine with either guy. But am interested in the perceived strengths of both QB's. Here's mine:
    Arnaud
    Strengths: Passing ability, calm under fire,knowlege of offense
    Weakness: Scrambling ability, locks onto one receiver, can get rattled
    Bates:
    Strengths: Mobility, speed, checks to second receiver, drive/desire
    Weakness: Scrambles into trouble, passing can be erratic,

    These are my read. I'm interested in what others see or don't see.



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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    Quote Originally Posted by ketelmeister View Post
    Not trying to beat a dead horse here, and I'm fine with either guy. But am interested in the perceived strengths of both QB's. Here's mine:
    Arnaud
    Strengths: Passing ability, calm under fire,knowlege of offense
    Weakness: Scrambling ability, locks onto one receiver, can get rattled
    Bates:
    Strengths: Mobility, speed, checks to second receiver, drive/desire
    Weakness: Scrambles into trouble, passing can be erratic,

    These are my read. I'm interested in what others see or don't see.
    I would have to say that AA is much better at checking to a second receiver than PB. It looks to me like Phil throws to his first target every time he passes. AA showed several times on Saturday that he could check down and fire to a running back.

    So yeah, I would take that strength away from Philip. Not saying it's a strength for AA, but he is better at it at this point - probably because he has a little more experience.

    Also, I would add "Drive/Desire" to AA's strengths too - he's looked really fired up to me this season. I've liked his attitude.



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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    I disagree with scrambling ability being a weakness for Arnaud. On Saturday, it looked to me like he was just being over-cautious with his footing, and wasn't trying to make any significant cuts. Also, what have you seen that makes you feel that he gets rattled?

    Mostly agree with Bates.



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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    I would really like to see us pick a quarterback and stick with it. I had my views who it should be, but I'm to the point now that I don't care. Let's pick a guy and let him play the entire game. I really believe that hurt us a lot Saturday. The quarterback is the leader of your team. We were in our first hostile environment against much better competition than we'd faced this season and we were alternating QBs. I really think had we stuck with one QB, we'd have seen the endzone at least once.

    I know the 2 man system has worked for some teams, but I just don't think we have the depth and experience at this point to pull it off. I would really be much happier with the coaches making a decision on "our guy" this week.



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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    Quote Originally Posted by ketelmeister View Post
    Not trying to beat a dead horse here, and I'm fine with either guy. But am interested in the perceived strengths of both QB's. Here's mine:
    Arnaud
    Strengths: Passing ability, calm under fire,knowlege of offense
    Weakness: Scrambling ability, locks onto one receiver, can get rattled
    Bates:
    Strengths: Mobility, speed, checks to second receiver, drive/desire
    Weakness: Scrambles into trouble, passing can be erratic,

    These are my read. I'm interested in what others see or don't see.
    Wow, you couldn't be more wrong.

    Arnaud has checked to the second WR many many more times than Bates has.

    Also how can you be calm under fire, but also get rattled? Makes no sense

    And just b/c AA isn't as fast as Bates doesn't mean that his weakness is running. I would say he is still an above average runner. He escaped sack several times and was able to get a couple yards.

    I do think you are pretty right on about Bates. I think he needs to see the field better when throwing though. He missed a wide open Jones for a TD in the redzone. He is fast, and can scramble but he might juke to much



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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    Quote Originally Posted by ketelmeister View Post
    Not trying to beat a dead horse here, and I'm fine with either guy. But am interested in the perceived strengths of both QB's. Here's mine:
    Arnaud
    Strengths: Passing ability, calm under fire,knowlege of offense
    Weakness: Scrambling ability Arnaud has great pocket presence. Not as fast as Bates, but still a very good scrambler, locks onto one receiver disagree, can get rattled disagree, kinda negates 'cal under fire'
    Bates:
    Strengths: Mobility, speed, checks to second receiver I think he locks on one guy, if he isn't open he takes off, drive/desire
    Weakness: Scrambles into trouble, passing can be erratic, Bates looked confused when Iowa kept Edds in to spy on him. He will have alot of trouble if teams keep a spy in.

    These are my read. I'm interested in what others see or don't see.



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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan94 View Post
    I would really like to see us pick a quarterback and stick with it. I had my views who it should be, but I'm to the point now that I don't care. Let's pick a guy and let him play the entire game. I really believe that hurt us a lot Saturday. The quarterback is the leader of your team. We were in our first hostile environment against much better competition than we'd faced this season and we were alternating QBs. I really think had we stuck with one QB, we'd have seen the endzone at least once.

    I know the 2 man system has worked for some teams, but I just don't think we have the depth and experience at this point to pull it off. I would really be much happier with the coaches making a decision on "our guy" this week.

    Just the opposite for me. I want two experienced qbs vying to start. Over at Nebraska, if Ganz went down, they would be screwed. Pat Witt remains witless as he fumbled two more snaps.


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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    Not trying to beat a dead horse here, and I'm fine with either guy. But am interested in the perceived strengths of both QB's. Here's mine:
    Arnaud
    Strengths: Passing ability, calm under fire,knowlege of offense
    Weakness: Scrambling ability, locks onto one receiver disagree, can get rattled disagree, kinda negates 'cal under fire'
    Bates:
    Strengths: Mobility, speed, checks to second receiver I think he locks on one guy, if he isn't open he takes off, drive/desire
    Weakness: Scrambles into trouble, passing can be erratic, Bates looked confused when Iowa kept Edds in to spy on him. He will have alot of trouble if teams keep a spy in.

    These are my read. I'm interested in what others see or don't see.
    I pretty much agree with that. I'm beginning to wonder if AA's only real weakness is not getting to play the entire game. To me, AA has always looked like more of an experience QB back there than Bates has. Rightly so, this isn't the first year he's had a shot to play in games.

    PB looks to need more all around experience to me.



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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    Does anyone know if they can still throw the red shirt on Bates for this year? I know it is only 10% of the season but is that plays or games or what? If so it would be nice to have him sit out a year and come back next year and compete for the starting job again. Also, would be great in his senior year



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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZYGREG View Post
    Does anyone know if they can still throw the red shirt on Bates for this year? I know it is only 10% of the season but is that plays or games or what? If so it would be nice to have him sit out a year and come back next year and compete for the starting job again. Also, would be great in his senior year
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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZYGREG View Post
    Does anyone know if they can still throw the red shirt on Bates for this year? I know it is only 10% of the season but is that plays or games or what? If so it would be nice to have him sit out a year and come back next year and compete for the starting job again. Also, would be great in his senior year
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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    I'll just go ahead and "cut to the chase"...both Arnaud's and Bates weaknesses are the same...a very very WEAK OFFENSIVE LINE!!!


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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    Quote Originally Posted by CyBobby View Post
    I'll just go ahead and "cut to the chase"...both Arnaud's and Bates weaknesses are the same...a very very WEAK OFFENSIVE LINE!!!


    "when you play behind a weak offensive line the quarterback and running back are sitting ducks man"....quote by orenthal james simpson
    Neither one of them were pressured all that much by Iowa's 'All World' defensive line.



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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    Quote Originally Posted by ketelmeister View Post
    Not trying to beat a dead horse here, and I'm fine with either guy. But am interested in the perceived strengths of both QB's. Here's mine:
    Arnaud
    Strengths: Passing ability, calm under fire,knowlege of offense
    Weakness: Scrambling ability, locks onto one receiver, can get rattled
    Bates:
    Strengths: Mobility, speed, checks to second receiver, drive/desire
    Weakness: Scrambles into trouble, passing can be erratic,

    These are my read. I'm interested in what others see or don't see.

    Arnaud
    Strengths: Passing ability, calm under fire, knowledge of offense, good athlete, good runner, good pocket presence, leadership
    Weakness: Inexperience

    Bates:
    Strengths: Mobility, speed, drive/desire, great athlete
    Weakness: Scrambles into trouble, passing can be erratic, inexperience


    I don't think either guy is a 'scrambler'. Edelman is a scrambler. Bates can run well, and so can Arnaud. But neither is a true scrambler. Arnaud is better than Bates in every aspect of the passing game right now. Bates is better as a runner, but not as a scrambler, they are about even from that regard. The staff needs to be honest with Bates. If he wants to make money playing football, it isn't going to be at QB, it will be at WR.


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    Re: Arnaud/Bates..strengths-weakness

    Good grief. I like ya Ketel, but I don't agree with you on this matter at all. Both are good for ISU, but Arnaud's ability and finding the 2nd receiver are not weaknesses for him.

    This post is proof positive that once some fans select their guy, they will not see the facts and deviate from previous opinions.



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