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    Our Punt formation

    I thought I knew a lot about football, but I am baffled by our punt formation and the shifts that go along with it and the personnel on the field for it.
    I have to believe there is a purpose to everything that goes on out on the field, but I haven't seen the purpose yet.
    Is there a fake that we can run before the final shift?
    From what I have seen of it the last 2 years, we HAVE to get a fair catch called when we punt it. If Brandtner even remotely outkicks the coverage, look out. We have 3 Hosses in as the Up Backs, and they aren't going to chase anyone down.
    Can anyone help me with this?


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    Re: Our Punt formation

    I think you hit the nail on the head. Brandtner is usually good enough of a directional kicker that we can use the sidelines as an extra defender. There should have been no problems there, just some bad tackling.

    I would love to see us snap it to KO and let him pound it up the gut for a yard sometime :)



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    Re: Our Punt formation

    With that formation, ISU is taking 3 guys out of coverage. Add in the punter and the long snapper, you are counting on 6 guys to take on 10 blockers and the returner--not good odds, imo.



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    Re: Our Punt formation

    Certainly not going to get one blocked. That's why Brandtner absolutely has to get the ball fair caught. I don't think we stand a chance to tackle anyone with moves.


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    Re: Our Punt formation

    how about taking an extra second to punt it especially when the other team drops back. Just bop around like Tecmo Bowl and have the 3 guys block the 1 guy until you get the team down there!



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    Re: Our Punt formation

    Quote Originally Posted by mvhm View Post
    With that formation, ISU is taking 3 guys out of coverage. Add in the punter and the long snapper, you are counting on 6 guys to take on 10 blockers and the returner--not good odds, imo.

    Sooooooo with this logic.. They have 10 blockers going down field to form a return. So who are they rushing??? I've notice pressure on punts so not all 10 guys are blocking down field.

    This punt formation allows for more fake plays to be ran. It also adds a different twist and might force the return team into making a mistake.


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    Re: Our Punt formation

    Shh, when we want to run a trick play we send all three of the blockers out on a pass route or we do a screen play either side. You wait. We plan to use it in the Nebraska game.


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    Re: Our Punt formation

    Quote Originally Posted by BurgundyClone View Post
    how about taking an extra second to punt it especially when the other team drops back. Just bop around like Tecmo Bowl and have the 3 guys block the 1 guy until you get the team down there!
    Yeah but what good is that if Bo Jackson is back there? You know there's no stoppin' Tecmo Bo!



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    Re: Our Punt formation

    a punt should never get blocked out of this formation. the only problem is you have to have superb gunners on each side of the ball getting down field and have to be great at open field tackles. maybe ISU's special teams coach should realize that they might not have the right personell for this formation. whats the point of never getting one blocked if you can't tackle down field? I guess I would rather risk getting one blocked with the traditional punt formation over the other team having huge returns all of the time. We have to remember that once the big 12 season starts, the punt returners will only get faster!


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    Re: Our Punt formation

    The main reason for the overall formation, I believe, is that the players are already in their designated lanes. Of course that really didn't help on Saturday. The shift probably has something to do with the possibility of a fake.

    Teams as of late have really started messing around with the traditional punt formation, maybe over analysis? If its not broke, no need to fix it.


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    Re: Our Punt formation

    Quote Originally Posted by bellzisu View Post
    Sooooooo with this logic.. They have 10 blockers going down field to form a return. So who are they rushing??? I've notice pressure on punts so not all 10 guys are blocking down field.

    This punt formation allows for more fake plays to be ran. It also adds a different twist and might force the return team into making a mistake.
    PLayers still get downfield and block. Our return used to be one side rush and the other side hold their man up, and the guys that rushed then went down and set up the wall.


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    Re: Our Punt formation

    The special teams coach Jay Boulware used to be at Utah and thats really where the formation seemed to gain popularity. Personally, I like it. I think it gets the players in their lanes and allows them to get down the field faster. Plain and simple they just didn't tackle well Saturday.


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    Re: Our Punt formation

    I'm more concerned about the 3 up-backs being no factors in the downfield coverage.


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    Re: Our Punt formation

    Quote Originally Posted by CP44 View Post
    The special teams coach Jay Boulware used to be at Utah and thats really where the formation seemed to gain popularity. Personally, I like it. I think it gets the players in their lanes and allows them to get down the field faster. Plain and simple they just didn't tackle well Saturday.
    I think this best sums it up.

    I believe the placement of the three upbacks is irrelevant for tackling on a return because chances are all three of them are going to be occupied by a rusher, which means those guys aren't blocking downfield.

    As for the shift we do before extra points (saw it at the Kent State game, don't remember about SDSU) that is simply to make the defense respect the shift. If they don't we can easily snap the ball and run a screen to that side of the field. Like the father of my buddy said during the game, it's just something else to make the opposing team waste practice time on.



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