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    ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    How about this from Pat Harty at the Iowa City Press Citizen:

    The Cyclones will always be considered the lesser of the two programs despite having won seven of the past 10 games in the series.

    http://hawkcentral.press-citizen.com.../80909017/1053



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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    blah blah blah



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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    He should read the writeup by Rob Howe. Things have changed, Pat.



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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    Well, Iowa was the lesser program in the 70's when ISU had Earl Bruce and Iowa had ??? uhhhh, I'm not sure who was coaching Iowa before Fry?

    Fact of the Matter: Coaches make the team and ISU has the Better Coach.



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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    Well, for many many years, Alabama was THE program in that state and that part of the country. Then this little school called Auburn began to get better and Bama slipped. Now, it just depends on the year.

    Point is, there is room for two programs in any state.....



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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    Quote Originally Posted by scubapohl1 View Post
    Well, for many many years, Alabama was THE program in that state and that part of the country. Then this little school called Auburn began to get better and Bama slipped. Now, it just depends on the year.

    Point is, there is room for two programs in any state.....
    Except Nebraska.



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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    The words never and always should not be used in sports.

    Lets just say in the next 25 years, ISU were to go to 25 bowls in a row, win 2 national championships and go to 8 BCS Games. Jack Trice would then hold 75,000 people and have lots of upgrades. You probably couldn't even get a ticket.
    NOW.. Lets say that Iowa stays stagnant for then next 20 years. A 25 year old woudn't not even think about comparing Iowa with Iowa State in this case.
    What would someone say about ISU's program then? Probably wouldn't happen, but that is why you don't say things like never.
    Its going to take some time to get over all the damage that was caused in the 80's and 90's. We need a few big seasons to turn heads.



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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Melvin View Post
    Well, Iowa was the lesser program in the 70's when ISU had Earl Bruce and Iowa had ??? uhhhh, I'm not sure who was coaching Iowa before Fry?

    Fact of the Matter: Coaches make the team and ISU has the Better Coach.

    Iowa's coach before Fry was Bob Commings



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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    "Why does the team with the better tradition and the higher paid coaches and the bigger stadium and the larger fan base and the more decorated recruits not have the upper hand in this series?"

    Because all of that crap doesnt matter. Its what happens on the field every week that makes the difference. Spend all of the money you want, make everything looks pretty, but the players still have to get out there and make it happen.



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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    "The Cyclones were simply the better team in 1998, 1999 and 2000. And while that wasn’t the case in 2001 and 2002, Iowa still lost both games, mostly because it didn’t have an answer for Iowa State quarterback Seneca Wallace."

    Wait what? They lost both but we didnt have a better team? They didnt have an answer for Seneca? Weird...... Sounds like the USC-Texas game...USC was the better team, but didnt have an answer for Vince Young...odd. I was under the school of thought that better teams win the game not lose to the perceived one man.



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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    Pat Hardy's wife told me she married the lesser of two men.


    “There have been a lotta tough guys. There have been pretenders. And there have been contenders. But there is only one king.”

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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    hmmm.... 30 years ago... Iowa was considered the lesser of the two... so much for absolutes. tide is turning... we need this win to solidify the turn.

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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    Look at his picture. Can you really take that guy seriously? Looks like some dufus that still goes up to people's porches and sets bags on fire at Halloween.

    Why don't some of these papers, ICPC and Rag, just have a big headline that says "GO HAWKS" and skip the song and dance.



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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    Forever is a long time.



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    Re: ISU will always be the lesser of the two programs per Pat Hardy...

    From the article:

    "It’s sort of like if the New York Yankees got thumped by the New York Mets on a regular basis for at least a decade. Most people would still give the Yankees the edge simply because of who they are and what they represent."

    So Iowa = Yankees, Iowa State = Mets

    I guess I'll take that analogy about now - the Mets are leading their division with a 2 1/2 game lead and the Yankees are in the tank 10 games back



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