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    Almost no-hitter.

    This is why I don't like baseball. The Brewers win the game and all anyone cares about is that Sabathia didn't get credit for a no hitter. There is no sport that cares more about stats than baseball, almost to the point where records are more important than winning games. Honestly, if Bonds hadn't broken the home run record last year, he would be still be on the Giants, or another team, just so he could break it. People love to bash the NBA because players "only care about how many points they score and don't play as a team" when baseball is much worse. Imagine if Kobe Bryant scored 49 points in a game and the Laker won by 30, and immediately after the game, Phil Jackson complains to the media that Kobe should have gotten a foul called mid-way through the 3rd quarter, and, had he gotten the fould, he would have had 50 points.

    Seriously, I don't understand why this "scoring error" is such a big deal, its a judgement call and simply doesn't matter, unless, of coarse, stats are all that matter.



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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    I'm sure glad that no one made a big deal about Brett Favre passing Dan Marino in anything last year because stats don't matter in that league. No sir. Terrell Davis getting 2,000 yards? Did they even talk about that on ESPN?

    Throwing a no hitter is not a statistic. It's a very prestigious thing that the vast majority don't get to experience.



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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    I have no problem with them talking about a no hitter, but with the way the Brewer's manager was complaining about it, you would have thought they got screwed on a call that cost them the game. Not to mention no hitters are much more common than Bret Favre throwing more touchdowns than anyone in the history of the game (only happend once) or someone rushing for 2000 yards (happened a couple of times). Stats mean way more in baseball than they do in any other sport, that is my beef.



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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    I didn't hear Ned Yost talk about it, so I'll reserve judgment on that, but I would assume that he's just looking out for his player just like any manager should do.

    Stats are more important than football and basketball because they tell more of a player's value than the other sports.



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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    I just saw the replay of this and I can't get how people can be mad at the MLB for what happened. Nobody cost Sabathia the no hitter except CC. He makes that play and he's in the clear. Boo freaking hoo.



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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    I watch a LOT of baseball and that should've been an error undoubtedly. The baserunner wasn't even 1/2 way down the line when it hit his hand. He uses his glove, turns and throws and the runner is quite easily out. They have reason to be upset, but I think Ned Yost took it a little too far.

    Quote Originally Posted by isutrevman View Post
    Not to mention no hitters are much more common than Bret Favre throwing more touchdowns than anyone in the history of the game (only happend once) or someone rushing for 2000 yards (happened a couple of times). Stats mean way more in baseball than they do in any other sport, that is my beef.
    In order for someone to throw more touchdowns in history than someone else, someone else had to break a previous record (hence why it's called a record) so that's not a one-time event. Also, you have to take into account only no-hitters that have occurred since 1968 (?) when the National Football League started, as well as the fact that MLB has 364+ chances every year for a no hitter to happen compared to the NFL's exponentially shorter season.

    The last point about stats meaning more than any other sport? I have two sports: football and basketball right off the top of my head. Quarterbacks are paid for completion percentage, yards, touchdown passes, INTs, passer rating, etc. If those stats didn't matter, Tarvaris Jackson would be making just as much money as Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. Is that happening? Nope. In basketball, players are paid for points, rebounds, steals, assists, turnovers, etc. If those stats weren't important, James Posey should be making as much as Kobe Bryant and LeBron and I'm fairly sure that isn't happening. Stats are used to set a value on somebody, and I'm fairly certain GMs in both of those sports would tell you stats are just as important in them as they are in baseball. In baseball, are you going to sign the pitcher who has a 3.10 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, etc. to less money than the guy who has a 4.50 ERA and a 1.50 WHIP? I don't think so...



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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    I think to most fans of baseball stats are very important. More so than in any other sport.

    You know if a guy was good, but I KNOW that Tony Gwyn was a lifetime .300 hitter. I know Greg Maddux has 300 wins... etc.



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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    Quote Originally Posted by isutrevman View Post
    This is why I don't like baseball. The Brewers win the game and all anyone cares about is that Sabathia didn't get credit for a no hitter. There is no sport that cares more about stats than baseball, almost to the point where records are more important than winning games. Honestly, if Bonds hadn't broken the home run record last year, he would be still be on the Giants, or another team, just so he could break it. People love to bash the NBA because players "only care about how many points they score and don't play as a team" when baseball is much worse. Imagine if Kobe Bryant scored 49 points in a game and the Laker won by 30, and immediately after the game, Phil Jackson complains to the media that Kobe should have gotten a foul called mid-way through the 3rd quarter, and, had he gotten the fould, he would have had 50 points.

    Seriously, I don't understand why this "scoring error" is such a big deal, its a judgement call and simply doesn't matter, unless, of coarse, stats are all that matter.
    That's mainly because in most professional sports, the stats ARE more important than any one game, in general. The more meaningless games there are, the more meaningless statistics matter since the games themselves really don't. If the baseball season was 20 games before the playoffs, nobody would care about most of the statistics.


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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    When I saw it I thought it was rediculous too. The Brewers should be more concerned about their pennant race than no-hitters.


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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    Did you see his bare hand catch.



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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    He's been a great pick up for the Brewers. Granted the Cubs got two good ones at the same time in Harden and Gaudin. I think the Brewers are going to give the Cubs a run for their money yet...


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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    I just watched it... I think if he had used his glove and made the same mistake it would have been an error. Since he made the pick with his bare hand it looked like a hit too me.



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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    I tell you what though, CC has been pretty good since the trade but I hate to be whoever signs him in the offseason because the Brewers are getting every inning they can out of him while they have him.

    In 18 games with the Indians he averaged just over 7 innings a game. With the Brewers 8 innings a games, 6 of those 11 games he pitched all 9 innings. His pitch count about 112 per game, with the Indians about 108 per game and just 2 complete games. He has the 2nd most innings pitched behind Roy Halladay in all of MLB, just hope his arm doesn't fall off next season if the Brewers continue to work him as hard as they have.

    Lou has been very careful with his pitching staff and I think with the injury histories some of them have had it should hopefully help come playoff time and also not risk injury that could hurt their performance in 2009. Dempster has the most innings pitched on the staff which is tied for 23rd in MLB. Lilly is 27th, Zambrano 35th, Marquis 86th, and Harden 103rd. Granted Z had a stint on the DL, Marquis has a tough time making it to or past the 6th inning usually, and Harden had a 1 month stint on the DL but also both Oakland and Chicago have been careful not to over-use him and limit his pitch counts. Harden has only topped 100+ pitches 8 times this season and only pitched 8 innings once which was a 96 pitch 2 hit shutout with the A's in June. I think once he proves his durability he'ss go deeper into games, especially in the playoffs but the Cubs aren't going to over-use him now and risk being without possibly their best pitcher at the moment in the playoffs. I know the Brewers are still hoping to make a push for the pennant but they also have a 5.5 game lead in the Wild Card so is it really necessary to be pitching your ace in 7-0 blowouts? The games CC has gone 9 innnings with the Brewers and the score and his pitch count:

    7-0 117
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    I'd say only 2 of those games (the 3-0 and 3-2) you can make a case their bullpen sucks and you leave him in but pitching 130 pitches in a 9-3 game is stupid or leaving him in a 9-1 and 7-0 blowout. I'm sure Yost knows if they miss the playoffs this year he's a goner but also over-using your best pitchers is never a good idea either.


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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    It was my understanding that it is kind of an unwritten rule among scorekeepers that the first hit for a team should not be a controversial one because you never know what might happen.



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    Re: Almost no-hitter.

    I think him trying to bare handed made a not so close play appear closer, generally you don't bare hand it unless it's going to be really close. At that point it's a judgment call so I don't have a problem with it.


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