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    Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    I'm wondering if anyone has any true reasoned analysis on the pros and cons of each of these. I'm not looking for rumors or otherwise. I trust Jeremy and his sources to provide me with the behind the scenes stuff, not the radio.

    What I'm wondering is if anyone out there is interested in engaging in a solid fact based discussion about who's a better candidate (and why). I limit it to these two only because their names seem to come up the most. If all you have to add is "don't hire norvell because your tired of iowa and nebraska connections" then we'll just ignore you. I would say that such reasoning is idiotic but to say that would qualify it as reasoning, which it really isn't.

    So a few easy starters but what I'm really interested in are insights into their backgrounds or abilities.

    Thoughts?



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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    Harbaugh's pros:

    -His dad said he would be a coach some day
    -He played for some great coaches

    Norvell's pros:

    -Lots of coaching experience



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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    Harbaugh
    PIONEER LEAGUE FOOTBALL - NON SCHOLARSHIP

    Norvell
    Big XII, Big Ten and Professional Coaching Experience

    This is like taking an accountant with experience at 3 major CPA firms for the last 12 years and putting him against a guy who finished top in his class at a community college in a pip squeak town in Arkansas getting his Accounting Specialist degree.


    ďAlso, I met a lot of Iowa State fans and I donít want to leave any of that behind.Ē - DARIUS DARKS on Staying a CLONE!!!


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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    Quote Originally Posted by CY ST8T View Post
    This is like taking an accountant with experience at 3 major CPA firms for the last 12 years and putting him against a guy who finished top in his class at a community college in a pip squeak town in Arkansas getting his Accounting Specialist degree.
    Well said.



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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    Harbaugh

    3 year starter at Michigan under Bo Schembechler
    15 years in the NFL with 5 different teams
    3 years at the University of San Diego

    Norvell-
    Playing Experience: 1982-85, Iowa; 1987, Chicago Bears
    Coaching Experience: 1986-87, Iowa (graduate assistant); 1988, Northern Iowa (assistant coach/receivers); 1989-94, Wisconsin (assistant coach/receivers/special teams); 1995-97, Iowa State (assistant head coach/quarterbacks/receivers); 1998-2001, Indianapolis Colts (assistant coach/wide receivers); 2002, Oklahoma (assistant coach/wide receivers); 2002-2003, Oakland Raiders (assistant coach/tight ends); 2004-present, Nebraska (offensive coordinator/quarterbacks)
    Recruiting Emphasis: Louisiana, Texas (Central, Houston and Dallas)



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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Harbaugh

    3 year starter at Michigan under Bo Schembechler
    15 years in the NFL with 5 different teams
    3 years at the University of San Diego

    Take off his college/NFL experience and it doesn't leave much. I guess I don't count that for much.


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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    I guess from day 1 I wanted a guy with coaching exp at the big time and Norvell fills that. BCS conf and NFL experience.

    For the record I wasn't hip on Brewster. I didn't like the fact he'd ONLY been a tight ends coach.


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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    One statement people have been making about harbaugh is that he is a risky hire.

    Risk Assessment:

    Harbaugh
    Pros
    - Actual head coaching experience (will also be a con)
    - Said to be surrounding himself with experienced coaches (shouldnt let him F up coaching to bad and i assume should be good recruiters)
    - Name recognition (good possibility of bringing in new donor $'s, season ticket holders and recruits based on name alone excitement generated)
    - Turned around USD program (true its a D2 non scholarship but his success is one of the reasons he is being considered)

    Cons
    - Head coaching experience (only 3 years at a D2 non scholarship program)
    - Possibility of jumping ship if he gets the program turned around. (sounds like carr is nearing retirement)
    - He operated a vehicle while intoxicated (drank half a beer to much from what i read previously)

    Norvell
    Pros
    - Lots of previous assistant coaching experience (see listed experience posted all over previous threads)
    - Wants to be a clone ( risk of jumping ship lower )
    - NFL assistant coaching experience

    Cons
    - No previous head coaching experience
    - Not considered "sexy" hire or a coach that would unite the fan base
    - Does not handle play calling for nebraska as their o-coordinator
    - Read that he has only recruited 4 players? True?



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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    Quote Originally Posted by jose View Post
    One statement people have been making about harbaugh is that he is a risky hire.

    Risk Assessment:

    Harbaugh
    Pros
    - Actual head coaching experience (will also be a con)
    - Said to be surrounding himself with experienced coaches (shouldnt let him F up coaching to bad and i assume should be good recruiters)
    - Name recognition (good possibility of bringing in new donor $'s, season ticket holders and recruits based on name alone excitement generated)
    - Turned around USD program (true its a D2 non scholarship but his success is one of the reasons he is being considered)

    Cons
    - Head coaching experience (only 3 years at a D2 non scholarship program)
    - Possibility of jumping ship if he gets the program turned around. (sounds like carr is nearing retirement)
    - He operated a vehicle while intoxicated (drank half a beer to much from what i read previously)

    Norvell
    Pros
    - Lots of previous assistant coaching experience (see listed experience posted all over previous threads)
    - Wants to be a clone ( risk of jumping ship lower )
    - NFL assistant coaching experience

    Cons
    - No previous head coaching experience
    - Not considered "sexy" hire or a coach that would unite the fan base
    - Does not handle play calling for nebraska as their o-coordinator
    - Read that he has only recruited 4 players? True?
    Solid analysis. I agree that Norvell's not the sexy hire, but neither was GMac and look how things are looking up in b'ball. I'm going to have to trust JP on this one, because I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around Norvell...



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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    Here's the thing about Norvell. He's the easy pic to me. The guy has the pedigree and everything. If he fails, it's easy to say, "well he had everything going for him." Harbaugh is the sexy pick but if he fails, everyone looks at pollard and says "why the hell did you pass on the guy with the pedigree for the guy with no D1 coaching experience?" it's like when you see the NFL draft and you wonder why a team takes a certain player when everyone and their brother thinks another pleyer will ultimately be better, but the first player comes with the pedigree and all the pundents say he should go first etc. Go with the sexy pick and end up being right, and it's a career maker. End up wrong and you end up having the chance to hire that guy again when you are the new AD at SE Missouri state.

    THat being said, we've engaged around the office in this discussion about whether ISU needs a coach with a system that's going to be more conducive to winning in the Big 12 when ISU's 1st through 3rd string will probably not be as deep and talented as some of the other conference power teams will be. For that I like Norvell and the west coast offense, although I'm assuming he run that here. I'm also not certain how Meyer or Arnaud fits into that system. Anyone know what Mr. Harbaugh is running out west? OR for that matter does it matter?



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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    I bet some people find GMac sexy.



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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    Quote Originally Posted by dccyclone25 View Post
    Well said.
    We just had the 12 year accountant as coach.


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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    Quote Originally Posted by tec71 View Post
    For that I like Norvell and the west coast offense, although I'm assuming he run that here. I'm also not certain how Meyer or Arnaud fits into that system. Anyone know what Mr. Harbaugh is running out west? OR for that matter does it matter?
    He is running Josh Johnson All whatever at qb. Passes for 300 yards a few times. Of course, they have a defense at SDU too.


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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedrick View Post
    Solid analysis. I agree that Norvell's not the sexy hire, but neither was GMac and look how things are looking up in b'ball. I'm going to have to trust JP on this one, because I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around Norvell...
    Who is the Big 12 sexy hire?
    Bill Callahan
    Ron Prince
    Jay Norvell or Jim Harbaugh.
    Gary Stinkel Finkel
    Dan Hawkins
    Piggo Mangino
    Big Mack Brown
    Bobert Stoops
    Michael Gundy
    Franchione
    Mike Reach for Leach
    Baylor Morriss

    Tossup between Stoops, Prince, and whomever we might hire if under 50.


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    Re: Harbaugh vs. Norvell

    Are you guys on something?? Norvell would be the worst hire in ISU history. He has all this experience but yet he doesn't even call the plays for Nebraska. Why is that you think? He was not well liked at all when he was here at all. I have heard horror stories about this guy. Everything JP has spent the time and energy building would get blown out the window if he makes this hire



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