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    Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    I've been reading on here and other boards, some are concerned with the risk of hiring unproven head coach Jim Harbaugh. Deace has even gone so far to call it a reckless move, if Pollard tabs Harbaugh as the next ISU football head coach.

    People can call this reckless, that's fine. It does carry some risk, just as any coaching change does. Iowa State is in a position where it must take risks. Few programs have gone from rags to riches without taking significant risks along the way.

    Lets have an analogy here...Mac is Bledsoe and Harbaugh is Romo.

    Bledsoe, you know what you're going to get from him. He's a good QB, yet makes enough mistakes to get you beat and rips your heart out too many times.

    The young unproven guy is inserted, Romo. He's got no experience, young and anxious to succeed. It's a huge risk going to him, yet the team needs a change and a spark.


    In the case outlined here, it worked. There are many more cases like this. Just as there are cases where risks like this have blown up.

    Pollard looked at it, in a way - do we want to continue being average with Bledsoe or take a risk and possibly be great with Romo?

    Parcells knew the pulse of his team - just as Pollard has a finger on the pulse of this football program.

    I'll support whatever decision Pollard makes. Yet I won't call him a reckless AD for taking a risk.



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    Nice analogy, too bad you have to include Cowboy players.

    j/k



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    Bad analogy. We have more than 'Romo' to choose from. Why replace Mac with a guy that is a long shot unless you want somebody cheap to begin with. If you can get a guy with a proven track record you don't need to take risks. The Bledsoe/Romo analogy is a case of you have to go with what you got or go with a risk. You only have A or B to choose from in that case. In JP's case he doesn't have that unless C or D or E choose not to take the offer or you can't afford them.



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    I'll support whatever decision Pollard makes. Yet I won't call him a reckless AD for taking a risk.
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    Couldn't agree more.



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyflyer View Post
    Bad analogy. We have more than 'Romo' to choose from. Why replace Mac with a guy that is a long shot unless you want somebody cheap to begin with. If you can get a guy with a proven track record you don't need to take risks. The Bledsoe/Romo analogy is a case of you have to go with what you got or go with a risk. You only have A or B to choose from in that case. In JP's case he doesn't have that unless C or D or E choose not to take the offer or you can't afford them.
    Give me a coach with great upside possibility and very little risk that ISU actually has a shot at landing.

    This post really could be about the over-all decision to let D-Mac go. Every coach that ISU is rumored to be looking at carries some risk.



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    Every coach that ISU is rumored to be looking at carries some risk.
    Brewster - No coordinator or HC experience
    Norvell - Iowa
    Harbaugh - DUI (please, no more posts on this)
    Price - Roll Tide Roll



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    Give me a coach with great upside possibility and very little risk that ISU actually has a shot at landing.

    This post really could be about the over-all decision to let D-Mac go. Every coach that ISU is rumored to be looking at carries some risk.
    Well of course any hiring carries some risk, but the subject is about how much risk you are willing to take.

    I'm not sure what you mean about my post has to do with removing Mac. Mac had to be let go, that become obvious. Now it depends on what move you Mac post letting Mac go. I believe we have a develpmental issue while Mac was here. Recruiting is important but I think some believe Harbaugh is going to go toe to toe with Texas and Oklahoma and bring in a bunch of Blue chip athletes. Wrong. We need a guy that has proven he can develop average to above average talent and beat the people who should and scare the hell out of the people we shouldn't.

    Right now our bigget competition in regards to the FB program and AD Budget is Mizzou, KU, KSU, OSU, etc. The next level from that is Texas, OU and NU. That takes Decades to match and is near impossible, but I digress.

    We need a guy that can win and take us to 8+ wins and win the Big 12 north when the writting is on the wall to do so. Do that and the upside for everything else is there to accomplish.

    I'm not convinced JP is a the risk taker some think he is. The GMac hire does not support that premise.



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    Quote Originally Posted by CYTIME View Post
    Brewster - No coordinator or HC experience
    Norvell - Iowa
    Harbaugh - DUI (please, no more posts on this)
    Price - Roll Tide Roll
    You're using half the list to suppor that arguement. Use the whole list and the risk average goes down severly.



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyflyer View Post
    You're using half the list to suppor that arguement. Use the whole list and the risk average goes down severly.
    So you'll discredit his list, yet won't provide one of your own?

    Ya won't get far with anyone with that debate "tactic".



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    "Lets have an analogy here...Mac is Bledsoe and Harbaugh is Romo."

    Replace Romo with the Ex-Michigan QB (Brady)

    That removes the Cowboys from the equation and also gives the results that we all hope for. Doesn't hurt that we are also hoping for an ex-Michigan QB to complete that growth of the program. just my 2 cents.



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    So you'll discredit his list, yet won't provide one of your own?

    Ya won't get far with anyone with that debate "tactic".
    Give me a break. He took a few names off the many lists ran on all of these boards. He didn't think that up all by himself. A majority of us are all working off the same lists. Don't be combative just for the sake of being disagreeing. There are names he left off that would have watered down your's and his arguement in regards to risk. Kelly and Kragthorpe are both much less risky and there could be names we don't even know about that we can all speculate, ie the dude from TCU and Cincinnati have been mentioend by others.



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    Why are you on the defensive ISUFan22?? It's just how CyFlyer sees it. You were the one that started this thread asking opinions on others calling it 'risky' and when you don't agree, you jump on them.



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    I'll criticize him for slamming the guy that appears to be the front runner without providing any other options he feels are better.

    Kelly and Kragthorpe have a bit more history than Harbaugh, but not much.

    Harbaugh is a bigger name than Kelly or Kragthorpe.

    IMO, it balances out.

    I'm not against Kelly or Kragthorpe, just as I'm not against Harbaugh.

    What I am sticking up for is this foolish rhetoric that Harbaugh is a reckless move that we shouldn't make.



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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    Quote Originally Posted by CYTIME View Post
    Brewster - No coordinator or HC experience
    Norvell - Iowa
    Harbaugh - DUI (please, no more posts on this)
    Price - Roll Tide Roll
    In addition to this I think the most important risk to mention is that he also is essentially coaching Drake right now and we want him to come in and coach in the Big 12. I think the combination of this and the above mentioned risk makes him very risky.


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    Re: Hiring Harbaugh too risky?

    WTF, I'm not slapping anyone and only one individual has called it reckless. Maybe you should try seperating out the people that actually used those words and those that think other candidates have more potential.

    You keep asking for more names, then when given more names you discredit the names. Uhh... ok.

    Fine you like Harbaugh, we get it, but I don't see why we all have too and speaking for myself I think I've argued pretty well why without becoming defensive about it.



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