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    Basketball Program Rankings

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3481843
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    According to this article on ESPN using a points system of performance since 1984 it ranks us as the 57th best program.



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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    So, Cory J. was moving up to Valpo.



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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    Well hey, were the best of the rest by far in the Big XII



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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    I wonder how long it will be before the complaints about Iowa being at 49 start and how they are a much worse program than us ;)



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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by pthebutcher View Post
    I wonder how long it will be before the complaints about Iowa being at 49 start and how they are a much worse program than us ;)
    I was thinking the same thing. I was trying to figure out where they got the points over us but I think the biggest is probably the losing seasons even though we have more conference titles and tourney titles plus deeper runs in the NCAA tourney than them in recent history. We both lost to lower seeds in the 1st round so that was a wash.


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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    Thats a great honor for our BBall program. I had no idea outsiders looked upon our basketball that highly! I was guessing that we would have been around 70.


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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by Bader View Post
    Well hey, were the best of the rest by far in the Big XII
    Better than Marquette too! But still not high enough. If you're going to put College of Charleston in the top 50 with one NCAA win in 24 years, how can you leave out ISU?



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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    CoC has only had one losing season since 84-85.....



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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by StLouisClone View Post
    Better than Marquette too! But still not high enough. If you're going to put College of Charleston in the top 50 with one NCAA win in 24 years, how can you leave out ISU?
    Hey, don't disrespect the Cougars!

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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    By these definitions, basketball teams are somewhat weighted by consistency within their conference and winning records regardless of schedules. I think that's why you see a lot of mid-majors ranked higher than some would think... I think mid-majors are much better now, but in 1985, they were really a step below the larger conferences. No way when comparing teams is all that perfect, but overall I think it's a fair assesment. It seems like when we're good, we were really good, but when we were bad, we were horrible. We don't have enough consistency in our conference. Need to avoid the "disaster" season. Ideally I'd like to see a "good" season have us finish in the top 4 in the conference, and a "bad" season have us finish 6 to 8th.



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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by pthebutcher View Post
    I wonder how long it will be before the complaints about Iowa being at 49 start and how they are a much worse program than us ;)
    Going back that far they get the advantage of Davis' first two years where he went deep with Raveling's players



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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    We've had some great seasons, but we've had some pretty bad ones as well. For something like this it seems better to be consistently average than our roller coaster program.



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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    In the overview article they mention us:

    The school with the most NCAA tournament appearances to not appear in the Top 50 is Iowa State (T-57). The Cyclones' 12 NCAA tournament appearances were canceled out by weak showings in conference play. Only twice did they earn the best win-loss record in their conference.
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    ESPN - Familiar names outside the Top 50 - Men's College Basketball



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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    EIU is 49 and Butler is 47


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    Re: Basketball Program Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by danrog View Post
    The school with the most NCAA tournament appearances to not appear in the Top 50 is Iowa State (T-57). The Cyclones' 12 NCAA tournament appearances were canceled out by weak showings in conference play. Only twice did they earn the best win-loss record in their conference.
    We're probably also the team with the most NCAA tournament wins to not appear in the Top 50. The problem with their rankings is the criteria they used. Nowhere do they take into account the team's strength of schedule or strength of conference. That makes it much easier for the College of Charleston to get 5 points for winning its conference and avoid getting -3 points for having a losing season. On top of that, the Big 8/Big 12 has four of the nation's toughest arenas to play in (Lawrence, Stillwater, Columbia and Ames), and ISU played a heck of a lot of games in those arenas. How many other teams have won 3 games in Lawrence over the last 10 years? None.

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