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    I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    It seems strange that Mac is the absolute best that ISU can do.

    Doesn't ISU have a long history of having great coaches in the past? (Someone could list them , if you like.) Most of them have been asst. coaches, but they all started at ISU because the Cyclones gave them a chance.

    I firmly believe that there are guys out there that are much better than Mac and his asst. that are making less than half the money ISU is shelling out right now for coaching. Most would be tickled to come to ISU and show what they can do at a BCS school. JP needs to find and hire them.



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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    At the time McCarney was a great hire for ISU, what he has done here is really unbelievable. But, it seems he has worn out his welcome this season. Maybe a change is what is needed, and I would agree a top notch assistant would view this as a good opportunity. Even a head coach from a non-BCS conference would do the trick. It has worked in basketball, why not football?


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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    Lets see... Johnny Majors, Earl Bruce, Glen "Pop" Warner, Mack Brown, Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll are ones that come to mind right away.



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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    Fast approaching Jim Criner with more losses.


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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoClone View Post
    Lets see... Johnny Majors, Earl Bruce, Glen "Pop" Warner, Mack Brown, Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll are ones that come to mind right away.
    Forgot Jackie Sherill.

    Now after 12 years we have a Midset and dogma that "We can't do any better than Mac" or "Be careful of what you wish for". All crap of course.



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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    we will get a good head coach if MAC leaves...the ISU AD has not had to make a football decison in 12 years which is amazing in any college football program outside of Penn State and Florida State.



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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by jay moe View Post
    At the time McCarney was a great hire for ISU, what he has done here is really unbelievable.
    Is it really "unbelievable"? Is it really possible that no one else could have done what he has done here?

    He has taken us from a team that lost to nearly everyone to a team that, at its height, beat the bad teams and most of the mediocre teams, but still couldnt beat the good teams very often, if at all. That certainly isn't "unbelievable," but it is an improvement.

    I think Dan has suffered from people overstating the job he has done here, so that when there is a season like this, it paints a much starker contrast from our successful seasons than really exists.



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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    Very true... we've moved in 'stages' of sorts. We're now at a point where our perception of where we should be as a program has been raised, and there's no reason it should be lowered. So now, we just need to put together a staff that can now reflect this new stage we're at (which doesn't mean necessarly we've had a lot of success, but our mental outlook and perception has changed).



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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    I don't think that it's that we CAN'T hire a good coach. It's that the previous AD's either didn't properly evaluate the talent at hiring time and frankly, increased budget and facilities may have helped.

    At the time, the Walden hire looked like a good one, and frankly, I don't think the Criner hire looked terrible on the surface. Clearly it turned out to be horrific.

    Walden made some choices that lead many of us to question his X's and O's. Adopting the 'bone when it was already dead. Not using Troy. When Mac got 2K out of Troy, it reflected poorly on Walden.

    I have confidence in JP to pick a solid coach if he goes that route.



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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    Walden made some choices that lead many of us to question his X's and O's. Adopting the 'bone when it was already dead. Not using Troy. When Mac got 2K out of Troy, it reflected poorly on Walden.


    Really Liked Walden, but he was not the do or die worker that Mac is. Walden didn't really like to recruit and it showed. X's and O's wise I would take Walden as a OC right now. His defenses were horrible, but he did a lot on offense with a lot less talent than the current team has.



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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by dccyclone25 View Post
    Is it really "unbelievable"? Is it really possible that no one else could have done what he has done here?

    He has taken us from a team that lost to nearly everyone to a team that, at its height, beat the bad teams and most of the mediocre teams, but still couldnt beat the good teams very often, if at all. That certainly isn't "unbelievable," but it is an improvement.

    I think Dan has suffered from people overstating the job he has done here, so that when there is a season like this, it paints a much starker contrast from our successful seasons than really exists.
    dccyclone25, VERY WELL SAID.



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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    For whatever reason it's hard to predict the success of a new head football coach. When Mike Stoops was hired at the University of Arizona it was widely considered to be a great hire for the university, yet he has accomplished virtually nothing. And when USC hired Pete Carroll there were a lot of questions whether a coach coming from the pros with no college head coaching experience could succeed at a college with such high expectations. And he's done pretty well.


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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    [QUOTE=jay moe;35495]At the time McCarney was a great hire for ISU, what he has done here is really unbelievable.

    In reality what is unbelievable is how bad some of the teams on ISU's schedule suddenly became. Everyone likes to talk about Bowl games and how good ISU was this year or that, but take a look at what happened for a while to the "good" teams ISU plays every year. Iowa under KF the first couple years and under HF the last couple years was terrible. KSU and NU were playing for national titles hopes for a while. Although NU has recovered some, they are no where near the team they use to be. Even last year ISU got to play the worse TX a$m team in 30 years. Mac had his opportunity to really make hay in terms of fan support, recruiting, national reputation, everything. Now all these teams are getting better and ISU is getting left behind.



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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by dccyclone25 View Post
    Is it really "unbelievable"? Is it really possible that no one else could have done what he has done here?

    He has taken us from a team that lost to nearly everyone to a team that, at its height, beat the bad teams and most of the mediocre teams, but still couldnt beat the good teams very often, if at all. That certainly isn't "unbelievable," but it is an improvement.

    I think Dan has suffered from people overstating the job he has done here, so that when there is a season like this, it paints a much starker contrast from our successful seasons than really exists.
    ithink it's unbelievable because at the time i don't think anyone respectable would have taken the job to turn the program.

    mac has certainly done a lot for this school and program.

    he's certainly plowed the road for the next coach.

    from the bottom of my heart, good luck, mac, wherever life takes you after this season


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    Re: I don't understand why ISU can't hire a good coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    ithink it's unbelievable because at the time i don't think anyone respectable would have taken the job to turn the program.

    mac has certainly done a lot for this school and program.

    he's certainly plowed the road for the next coach.

    from the bottom of my heart, good luck, mac, wherever life takes you after this season
    Mac was the guy that brought/created an attitude that expects winning football, and I think that is his singular achievement. Could someone else have done this? I personally think so, but Mac did this and I'll give him the credit for that. Did he actually make this a successful, winning program? I guess that depends on how you define it. In my opinion, despite a few winning seasons (which seem to be anomolies), we haven't really progressed that far at all on the field.



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