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    Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    Anybody running Saturday morning? I'm excited. Should be interesting starting with 5000+ other people!



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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    The start of D2D sucks. Get up close to the front and expect a 12 min mile for the first 2 miles. There is just no where to go on the dam and around the first few corners until you get down the first big hill. Really there is no passing until about mile 3.

    d2d needs to be chip timed since it is getting so big.


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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    It's not chip timed? That blows. It will be interesting to see the difference between my "official" time and the time I keep on my garmin.

    Any other advice?



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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    I've ran it a few times. If this is your first time then beware of the eight mile mark. For me, it is a killer.



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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    I used to be an avid runner when I still lived in Iowa but never ran the D2D... if anyone has run the Bix-7, how would the courses compare (besides the distances).. ?


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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    I stopped doing Dam to Dam in 2001 when Gov Vilsack passed me at the 5 mile mark. I ended up passing him a few miles later (he didn't have a very steady pace) but it was still pretty embarrising.

    Dam to Dam and Living History are my favorites. Drake 1/2 marathon is my least favorite.



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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    Quote Originally Posted by frontrangeclone View Post
    I used to be an avid runner when I still lived in Iowa but never ran the D2D... if anyone has run the Bix-7, how would the courses compare (besides the distances).. ?
    Bix is harder. Dam to Dam is pretty easy IMO for the distance.



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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    Timing chips are one way to do it. Another great way is the "Wave system" as is employed at the Bolder Boulder. I ran on Monday with 50,000+ and never had an issue with over crowding. They start runners in groups of about 400 every minute and they group them based on projected finish time. For the fastest waves, you need to have a qualifying time which prevents slower runners from going to very front.



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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    has anyone done the DM marathon? I've read where it has received very favorable reviews in the running community for a race in the medium-sized city category...


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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    I'm going the 5k Saturday. This will be my first ever "race" as I've never enjoyed running but my gf does so I've been training the last 6 weeks and now I can run 3 miles pretty easy...but getting there has not been fun.



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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    I am pretty pumped up about the race. It will be my first time. It seems like I have been training for it forever. I will wear my D2D shirt and medal with pride!



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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    Quote Originally Posted by frontrangeclone View Post
    has anyone done the DM marathon? I've read where it has received very favorable reviews in the running community for a race in the medium-sized city category...
    I've heard a lot of good things as well but never did it. Grandma's marathon up in Duluth is a great race.



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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    Quote Originally Posted by brianhos View Post
    The start of D2D sucks. Get up close to the front and expect a 12 min mile for the first 2 miles. There is just no where to go on the dam and around the first few corners until you get down the first big hill. Really there is no passing until about mile 3.

    d2d needs to be chip timed since it is getting so big.

    That is part of the problem... runners need to learn to self-seed better. If you are going to be in the front, you should be able to run sub 7 min miles, and hold the pace. Much less congestion if you are running with similar ability people.

    Compare the Chicago Marathon vs. Bix. 45k runners vs. 15k. Chicago is 3 times as big, but your are never crowded because they start you in corals based on an actual finish time in a previous marathon or 1/2. Bix is self seeded and you get boxed in because someone seeded them self in the 49:00 minute group and can't run up the Brady St hill without walking.

    Be honest and seed yourself accordingly. Sure there will be jack***** crowding the start, but gives you an opportunity to run a negative split.


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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    Quote Originally Posted by becrisgreg View Post
    That is part of the problem... runners need to learn to self-seed better. If you are going to be in the front, you should be able to run sub 7 min miles, and hold the pace. Much less congestion if you are running with similar ability people.

    Compare the Chicago Marathon vs. Bix. 45k runners vs. 15k. Chicago is 3 times as big, but your are never crowded because they start you in corals based on an actual finish time in a previous marathon or 1/2. Bix is self seeded and you get boxed in because someone seeded them self in the 49:00 minute group and can't run up the Brady St hill without walking.

    Be honest and seed yourself accordingly. Sure there will be jack***** crowding the start, but gives you an opportunity to run a negative split.
    I always started way in the back. I would rather be the person passing and not screw up my pace.


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    Re: Dam to Dam 20k on Saturday?

    I ran the Des Moines marathon in 2003. I believe that was their second year. It was a decent race. A little hilly and one little out-and-back loop but it was fun. Well, until I cramped up @ mile 24.5 and it took me 25 minutes to do that last bit :-(

    I haven't run a marathon in 4 years but I'm doing Grandma's in Duluth on June 21st for the 3rd time...



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