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    Clean Burning Efficient Diesels Still Lucrative?

    So, I'm a big fan of the impending release of the 2009 Jetta TDI. I see they are also making the Sportwagon as a TDI. The new TDI is scheduled to be released this summer as a 2009 model and it will meet California emissions standards (toughest in the world).

    The down side, lately, is the price of Diesel. Seeing the almost $1 premium was a bit scary. However, if you really compare the numbers, I'm still seeing a financial benefit despite the premium for fuel. The estimates are for 55 mpg highway. Given the current fuel prices, I would need to buy a gas car that gets 44.5 highway as an equivalent. I did some research and there aren't very many cars that can even do that highway. The only cars I'm seeing that can are hybrid cars, which I don't want.

    As a comparison, the Civic, Yaris, Fit, and Corolla are all in the high to mid 30's on the highway.

    If we look at city Driving, lets assume that the new TDI will only get 30 city. I actually think it will be better than that. An equivalent gas car would need to get 25 highway in order to match the cost per mile at current fuel prices. Of the cars I listed above, the Yaris does the best at 29 city.

    Add to all of this the "fun" factor that the new TDI will have over comparable efficiency machines, and I think it is no contest.

    I really would love to go get an 2009 but I think I'll wait until the 2010 models, if I can make it that long, to see how things shake out with the new engine, etc.


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    Re: Clean Burning Efficient Diesels Still Lucrative?

    I think somebody should be making a small 4-door pickup (ranger, colorado) with something like a 3.5 liter turbo diesel. I think you'd sell the crap out of them. Ford already has a 3.6L diesel in land rovers they sell across the pond getting 30 mpg. You put a pick-up SUV on the market now that gets 30 mpg you'd sell a ton of them.



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    Re: Clean Burning Efficient Diesels Still Lucrative?

    Quote Originally Posted by mramseyISU View Post
    I think somebody should be making a small 4-door pickup (ranger, colorado) with something like a 3.5 liter turbo diesel. I think you'd sell the crap out of them. Ford already has a 3.6L diesel in land rovers they sell across the pond getting 30 mpg. You put a pick-up SUV on the market now that gets 30 mpg you'd sell a ton of them.
    Agreed. I think there is still a negative perception to diesel engines. People still believe they will be loud and stinky. I think that no longer will be the case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CyinCo View Post
    Agreed. I think there is still a negative perception to diesel engines. People still believe they will be loud and stinky. I think that no longer will be the case.
    Agreed again. Way back in the early '80s, during the last gas crunch, diesel vehicles were more prevalent. Ford had an Escort diesel. There was even a short production run of Lincoln Mark VII diesels. In fact, it would seem that most consumers around the world presently have a nice selection of diesel passenger vehicles, SUVs, and light trucks to choose from, except for us here in the good ol' US of A...


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    Re: Clean Burning Efficient Diesels Still Lucrative?

    One of the biggest attractions to diesel in my eyes is the ability to burn bio-diesel. In fact, in warmer weather, you should be able to throw a gallon of cooking oil in the tank, and not notice the difference.

    People around here routinely burn cooking oil, or commercial rapeseed oil in their diesel vehicles. You can tell when they drive by by the smell of french fries in the air.

    Note to self: Don't do this during colder weather. It would suck to have to try to get that out of your fuel system, all gelled and stuff.


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    Re: Clean Burning Efficient Diesels Still Lucrative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    One of the biggest attractions to diesel in my eyes is the ability to burn bio-diesel.
    Same here.

    Also, solving the cold-weather gelling problem is just a matter of time. Supposedly, there is a product in Europe called Wintron XC30 that significantly decreases the pour point of B100.


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    Re: Clean Burning Efficient Diesels Still Lucrative?

    My Ma has a 06 SE TDI auto. She gets 44-46mpg's. The Jetta does not stink and is not very loud. I think if she worked on her driving habits, 50mpg's would not be out of the question.
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    Re: Clean Burning Efficient Diesels Still Lucrative?

    I tried to buy the wife one of the Jettas a couple of years back, but it didn't come in the color she liked.. To a woman, I guess that is the most important thing.




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    Quote Originally Posted by kgreeny View Post
    I tried to buy the wife one of the Jettas a couple of years back, but it didn't come in the color she liked.. To a woman, I guess that is the most important thing.
    According to that one Cadillac Escalade commercial that's running now, it's the number of cupholders that most important to a woman...

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    look for "CUPHOLDERS"...


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    I've had the same cup holder in every vehicle I've ever owned, my lap.



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    Re: Clean Burning Efficient Diesels Still Lucrative?

    $4.75 per gallon for diesel since Europeans and trucks need so much of it might negate the mileage gain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    $4.75 per gallon for diesel since Europeans and trucks need so much of it might negate the mileage gain.
    Apparently you didn't read or didn't understand my very first post. The cost doesn't negate the mileage gain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    $4.75 per gallon for diesel since Europeans and trucks need so much of it might negate the mileage gain.
    Diesels are on average 30-40% more effecient that gas. So at that $4.75 it's the equivilent of gas being between $3.39 and $3.65. Last I checked I paying more than that for gas here and less than $4.75 for diesel.



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    Re: Clean Burning Efficient Diesels Still Lucrative?

    Not very good.

    Official EPA numbers posted for the '09 Jetta TDI - 30/41mpg

    Official EPA numbers posted for the '09 Jetta TDI - 30/41mpg - A****log


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    Re: Clean Burning Efficient Diesels Still Lucrative?

    Quote Originally Posted by mramseyISU View Post
    Diesels are on average 30-40% more effecient that gas. So at that $4.75 it's the equivilent of gas being between $3.39 and $3.65. Last I checked I paying more than that for gas here and less than $4.75 for diesel.

    Ah, then you see my point. That is for now.

    If more people switch to diesel, the price differential may increase to negate the advantage. The Europeans and trucks are stuck on diesel, we are not stuck on gasoline and could switch to diesel. This has been a big swing in the last two years.


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