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    Question about turnarounds

    Many examples of football turnarounds have been cited over the last several days. Is there a common thread in the examples that have been cited? One thing I've been wondering is how many of the success stories are a result of a creative/innovative offensive scheme?

    Is it possible that a creative scheme can overcome some of the recruiting disadvantges that underdog programs face?



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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    IMO, YES!!!!!

    We need a much, much more creative scheme than we have now. Then, we need to recuit guys who can play in that creative scheme. There are highschools out there that do play more complicated offensive schemes. We can't just be looking at height, weight, and 40 time (those are important to some extent). Look at Boise State. You can't tell me they are getting the best althetes in the country. Yet here they are again with another undefeated season rolling on. Boise state has a complex offense and they recruit guys who FIT into that scheme.


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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    In defense of our current scheme...

    We can't block the "simple" scheme we have now. What makes you think we can execute a more complicated one?



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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    In defense of our current scheme...

    We can't block the "simple" scheme we have now. What makes you think we can execute a more complicated one?
    You are right. This current group of recruits and coaches couldn't. That is the point. New blood is needed to run a more complex scheme.


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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    CyinCo - I don't know a great deal about BSU, but I have heard they run an innovative offensive scheme. TT has obvously made a unique offensive scheme work as well.



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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    In defense of our current scheme...

    We can't block the "simple" scheme we have now. What makes you think we can execute a more complicated one?
    Very true. No matter what the scheme you're going to need some talent for success. Assuming you can assemble some talent is a creative scheme part of the key for a successful turnaround?



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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    Be careful what you wish for, Texas Tech has not been able to get over the hump in a BCS conference and Boise State would not be able to do what they have in a BCS conference. Gimick offenses look like a great idea when they are working but are ugly when they don't, see TT v Col this year. However, not saying that I wouldn't want to see something more creative out of our team.



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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    Dan Hawkins is trying the same at Colorado. Let's watch in two weeks whta they can do against our vanilla defense.


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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    Quote Originally Posted by HGPuck View Post
    Be careful what you wish for, Texas Tech has not been able to get over the hump in a BCS conference and Boise State would not be able to do what they have in a BCS conference. Gimick offenses look like a great idea when they are working but are ugly when they don't, see TT v Col this year. However, not saying that I wouldn't want to see something more creative out of our team.
    TT may not have reached the level of Texas or Oklahoma, but they have been one of the better programs in the Big XII over the past several years.



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    "TT may not have reached the level of Texas or Oklahoma, but they have been one of the better programs in the Big XII over the past several years."

    We are all sitting here talking about getting to the next level and do you think that TT is not doing the same thing right now. They are at a higher level than us but they still aren't where they want to be.



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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    Quote Originally Posted by HGPuck View Post

    We are all sitting here talking about getting to the next level and do you think that TT is not doing the same thing right now. They are at a higher level than us but they still aren't where they want to be.
    TT went to the Cotton bowl in 2005 and the Holiday bowl in 2004, and they accomplished that playing in the tougher south division. If that isn't your definition of the next level for ISU, what is your expectaion?



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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    The scheme that ISU decides to run is not nearly as important as the ability of any coach to make ADJUSTMENTS. I think you can see that in every above average team. I don't care if we run the option as long as the coach leading the players understands that he is going to have to adjust that option at halftime if the other teams defense is shutting it down. The ability to adjust your gameplan on the fly is an area that I feel we have been outcoached in for quite some time. I don't know if this is a coordinator's responsibility but it seems as such to me.



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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    Quote Originally Posted by mt85 View Post
    Many examples of football turnarounds have been cited over the last several days. Is there a common thread in the examples that have been cited?
    Yes. None of them are ISU.


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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    TT is at the next level for us, that is what I said in my post. But TT has not been able to get to their next level for their program. This was very evident by the frustration most of there fans felt coming into their game in Ames. My point I guess is that gimick offenses are not consistent. So if you are willing to have one and the benifits it could bring also be willing to put up with the big letdowns that it can cause.



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    Re: Question about turnarounds

    TT has been to six bowl games in a row. They may not be top ten, but they have been pretty consistent.



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