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    The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    Personally, I am tired of hearing the excuse of ISU not having enough money to compete with other universities so I did some research on the subject. The information listed below is ranked based on current Sagarin rankings. The schools listed all had smaller athletic revenue than ISU. The financial data is from 2004-2005 school year (this is the most recent data available). I used athletic revenue as this was the best overall guage of athletic spending at each school. The $ amounts listed are in millions.

    12. Boise St. $16.7
    19. Washington St. 28.4
    34. Hawaii 19.9
    48. Cincy 21.1
    49. Ohio 14.5
    50. Utah 25.5
    52. Houston 22.6
    53. C. Michigan 16.8
    58. Nevada 18.7
    60. UMass (1-AA) 19.3
    62. Montana (1-AA) 15.3
    66. Appalachian St. (1-AA) 7.6
    68. James Madison (1-AA) 21.6
    69. East Carolina 21.1
    71. Wyoming 21.4
    72. Youngstown St. (1-AA) 8.7
    74. S. Miss. 18.2
    77. S. Florida 20.6
    80. San Jose St. 13.2
    81. New Mexico 27.6
    85. UTEP 21.3
    86. Colorado St. 19.0
    88. Northern Iowa (1-AA) 13.0
    89. Akron 14.0
    90. New Hampshire (1-AA) 20.3
    91. IOWA STATE 28.9

    Twenty-five schools with less money are ranked higher than us. Please keep in mind that 23 schools ranked ahead of us did not report their revenue including Northen Illinois, Portland State, Baylor, North Dakota State, Middle Tennessee, Western Michigan, and Tulsa. So realistically you could say at least 32 schools are doing more with less (sometimes much less)!!



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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    None of those schools are playing in a BCS Conference with the exception of Washington St. Budgets are a major part of winning, and if you don't believe that you're in denial. Having said that, I still think we need a new coach.



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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    The point I am trying to make is that these schools are unbiasly ranked regardless of conference ahead of us and they all spend less money than us. The fact that they have a weaker confernce (theoretically) is figured into their ranking.

    Wake Forest and Baylor are BCS schools.

    Don't get me wrong, I realize we need more money to compete on a regular basis but I am just irritated that these schools are doing more with less.



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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    95% of the schools you listed are either D-1AA or esentially compete with D-1A schools on a weekly conference basis that are equal to or inferior to the top 1AA schools.

    Quite honestly that is a pretty depressing thing to think about. We are only $6-9 million higher (revenue) than James Madison, New Hampshire, Wyoming, UTEP, Hawaii



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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    I agree, nice job on the research.



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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    The size of the athletic budget affects quality of the recruits you can bring into the school. The better the facilities, the more the recruits are impressed and the easier it is to recruit them.

    The athletic budget does NOT affect the following:

    The ability of the coaching staff to develop an effective game plan.
    The ability of the coaching staff to make effective game-day adjustments.
    The general morale , cohesiveness, and attitude of the team.
    The ability of the coaches to teach basic football fundamentals to the players.
    Whether the team performs to its talent level.

    In short, budget is only part of the equation, not the entire equation. With enough money, you can mask shorcomings in the other areas, but the size of one's athletic budget does not determine if a team over-achieves, under-achieves, or plays to their talent level.


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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    What's sad is that Iowa State while playing in one of the top conferences in the nation is being mentioned with a dozen IAA schools and another dozen mid-major programs.

    As Pollard says, it's time for Cyclone fans to pony up the money if you want this team to be competitive.



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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    Honestly I have seen us play some pretty good teams, very tightly. With our supposed lack of top talent, we have done very well. I think with proper leadership, even the middle to lower talent can compete with the biggest of programs. Not to bash on Oregon State because they are very good, but who really would have thought they would have beat a team on USC? Exactly. We can do stuff like this as well without the cash. When we start knocking off teams of high caliber (with leadership) money will come in.



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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    Quote Originally Posted by GoCy View Post
    The size of the athletic budget affects quality of the recruits you can bring into the school. The better the facilities, the more the recruits are impressed and the easier it is to recruit them.

    The athletic budget does NOT affect the following:

    The ability of the coaching staff to develop an effective game plan.
    The ability of the coaching staff to make effective game-day adjustments.
    The general morale , cohesiveness, and attitude of the team.
    The ability of the coaches to teach basic football fundamentals to the players.
    Whether the team performs to its talent level.

    In short, budget is only part of the equation, not the entire equation. With enough money, you can mask shorcomings in the other areas, but the size of one's athletic budget does not determine if a team over-achieves, under-achieves, or plays to their talent level.
    This is true! And, this is the problem. I think this coaching staff does a pretty good job recruiting. However, I'm not sure this coaching staff could outcoach anyone in major college football.



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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    Quote Originally Posted by bostinelosd View Post
    Honestly I have seen us play some pretty good teams, very tightly. With our supposed lack of top talent, we have done very well. I think with proper leadership, even the middle to lower talent can compete with the biggest of programs. Not to bash on Oregon State because they are very good, but who really would have thought they would have beat a team on USC? Exactly. We can do stuff like this as well without the cash. When we start knocking off teams of high caliber (with leadership) money will come in.
    I've been to Corvallis, Oregon. If you think our facilities can't compete, you should see OSU's faciltiies. When I was there in the late 90's the stadium capacity was around 35,000, and it looked like a division III facility.



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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    See, its all about the heart of the players and how the coaches use them. Watching an retooling Oklahoma State dismantle Nebraska was breathtaking. I hope to see that happen for us in the future.



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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    Quote Originally Posted by clacy View Post
    95% of the schools you listed are either D-1AA or esentially compete with D-1A schools on a weekly conference basis that are equal to or inferior to the top 1AA schools.

    Quite honestly that is a pretty depressing thing to think about. We are only $6-9 million higher (revenue) than James Madison, New Hampshire, Wyoming, UTEP, Hawaii
    ISU is now dropping to #90 (started off at #34) and fast approaching #100 in Sagarin. Three more losses will put us at about #110 despite our supposed tough schedule. Toledo won over Akron, UNLV was blasted, UNI lost a crapgame. We are not going to finish any higher than #75 even if we win against the last three. We are last in funding the Big 12. We do not fund a baseball team and we must not have many major donors who want to contribute yet. We are years away from digging out if we cannot recruit enougnh talent. Frankly it is disgusting what is upcoming on oline and dline for talent. Colorado just recruited eight oline bodies to stockpile.


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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneworld View Post
    What's sad is that Iowa State while playing in one of the top conferences in the nation is being mentioned with a dozen IAA schools and another dozen mid-major programs.

    As Pollard says, it's time for Cyclone fans to pony up the money if you want this team to be competitive.
    It's also time for ISU fans to realize that Mac is way in over his head and that a change needs to be made. It's time for ISU fans to increase their expectations to a level that we will not accept the current crappy coach that we have and to realize that he has been little more than smoke and mirrors.



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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    Quote Originally Posted by GoShow97 View Post
    It's also time for ISU fans to realize that Mac is way in over his head and that a change needs to be made. It's time for ISU fans to increase their expectations to a level that we will not accept the current crappy coach that we have and to realize that he has been little more than smoke and mirrors.
    It's that kind of fan attitude which will be drawing in all the big coaching names. I am sure that they will all want a low budget and high expectations.



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    Re: The "We Don't Have Enough $ To Compete" Myth

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    It's that kind of fan attitude which will be drawing in all the big coaching names. I am sure that they will all want a low budget and high expectations.
    We don't need a big coaching name, just someone who understnds how to play winning football. If you don't aim high and have lofetly expectations you get what we currently have which is a crap program. If you expect to have nothing that is what you will get.



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