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    Packing plants cause crime?

    Jennifer Dillard, at Georgetown Law, authored a paper that argues that prolonged work on a kill floor exposes workers to the risk of psychological damage, including post-traumatic stress disorder. Furthermore she concludes the workers should be compensated under O.S.H.A. for any ill effects they suffer.

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    Writing for the American Sociological Association, Amy Fitzgerald finds a spill-over effect from the violent work of the slaughterhouse into the surrounding community. According to her research, U.S. counties that have slaughterhouses consistently have higher rates of violent crime than demographically similar counties that don’t.

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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    Maybe that is because their is a higher poverty level... It could have nothing to do with the type of work... It has to do with the level of pay.



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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    You actually get paid pretty well working in a lot of slaughterhouses... and if you haven't seen a piggy slaughtered, I can see how it would desensitize people.

    My dad saw them cut a pigs throat, have the guys hang it on a hook, and then everybody was surprised when it started thrashing about and got itself off the hook and began running around spilling blood everywhere as they had to chase it down and finish it off. I mean there is some extreme nastiness that goes along with it.




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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    You actually get paid pretty well working in a lot of slaughterhouses... and if you haven't seen a piggy slaughtered, I can see how it would desensitize people.

    My dad saw them cut a pigs throat, have the guys hang it on a hook, and then everybody was surprised when it started thrashing about and got itself off the hook and began running around spilling blood everywhere as they had to chase it down and finish it off. I mean there is some extreme nastiness that goes along with it.
    I don't think that's the normal way to kill a pig. Never worked in a slaughter house, but I know that first they stun 'em, then they hook 'em and then they slash 'em. Omitting the stun wouldn't be a good idea.



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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    Don't they use one of those compressed air plunger thingies ala No Country for Old Men?



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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    OR.......it could be that packing plant workers tend to be illegal aliens (aka people known to disregard laws).



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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry1982 View Post
    I don't think that's the normal way to kill a pig. Never worked in a slaughter house, but I know that first they stun 'em, then they hook 'em and then they slash 'em. Omitting the stun wouldn't be a good idea.
    I worked at IBP (now Tysen) for a summer, and you are correct. First they Stun 'em', then shackel them by the hind legs, then one guy (with a catchers mask on) slits their throat. Some would come out of the stun and swing around.
    My dad was management in the plant, and it was my first summer home from college. Needless to say, I never moved back home and I found my own jobs from then on out.



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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    Quotes from the first paper I linked.....


    The animals killed in American slaughterhouses do not experience a painless death, and the slaughterhouse workers watch—and are implicated in—the gruesome deaths of thousands of animals every week. "The ghastly treatment of other animals in slaughterhouses in the United States ranges from brutal prodding and handling to the skinning and boiling of fully conscious individuals."23 Such violations of the Humane Slaughter Act, as noted above, are common, and, in particular, chickens are not covered by even the meager restrictions of the HSA. Poultry slaughterhouses thus are home to horrific tales of cruelty. "In many cases, chickens are ‘conscious[] and breathing not only as they move toward the knife but, afterward, upon
    entering the scald tank," where they are boiled alive.

    This account invites a connection between the cruel nature of the slaughterhouse industry and the cruel actions of the slaughterhouse workers—having been instructed by their supervisors to rip off birds’ heads, the workers feel no remorse in tossing around dying birds "just for fun."

    By studying the nature of psychological trauma, analyzing specific psychological mechanisms that would contribute to slaughterhouse workers’ trauma, and reviewing anecdotal evidence of slaughterhouse trauma, the remainder of this section will demonstrate that slaughterhouse workers likely suffer serious psychological trauma in their workplace.




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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    Gobbles?



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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by alaskaguy View Post
    Quotes from the first paper I linked.....


    The animals killed in American slaughterhouses do not experience a painless death, and the slaughterhouse workers watch—and are implicated in—the gruesome deaths of thousands of animals every week. "The ghastly treatment of other animals in slaughterhouses in the United States ranges from brutal prodding and handling to the skinning and boiling of fully conscious individuals."23 Such violations of the Humane Slaughter Act, as noted above, are common, and, in particular, chickens are not covered by even the meager restrictions of the HSA. Poultry slaughterhouses thus are home to horrific tales of cruelty. "In many cases, chickens are ‘conscious[] and breathing not only as they move toward the knife but, afterward, upon
    entering the scald tank," where they are boiled alive.

    This account invites a connection between the cruel nature of the slaughterhouse industry and the cruel actions of the slaughterhouse workers—having been instructed by their supervisors to rip off birds’ heads, the workers feel no remorse in tossing around dying birds "just for fun."

    I work in the food processing equipment business, and this is not as common as you would think. It is well known in the industry that stressed animals make lower quality (less profitable) meat, especially with poultry. Because of this fact, the majority of kill plants strive to make the animals death as trauma free as economically possible.

    I am not saying this type of thing doesn't happen, but it is the exception instead of the rule.

    It is also well known in the industry that most people cannot handle the stress of the actual killing of the animals, especially for long periods of time, no matter how humane. Most modern facilities have or are automating this process


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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    This = PETA propaganda

    That is all....


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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    This = PETA propaganda

    That is all....
    Agree!!!



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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    When I read the title of this article, I thought it had to do with putting houseplants in boxes....



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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by alaskaguy View Post
    Quotes from the first paper I linked.....


    The animals killed in American slaughterhouses do not experience a painless death, and the slaughterhouse workers watch—and are implicated in—the gruesome deaths of thousands of animals every week. "The ghastly treatment of other animals in slaughterhouses in the United States ranges from brutal prodding and handling to the skinning and boiling of fully conscious individuals."23 Such violations of the Humane Slaughter Act, as noted above, are common, and, in particular, chickens are not covered by even the meager restrictions of the HSA. Poultry slaughterhouses thus are home to horrific tales of cruelty. "In many cases, chickens are ‘conscious[] and breathing not only as they move toward the knife but, afterward, upon
    entering the scald tank," where they are boiled alive.

    This account invites a connection between the cruel nature of the slaughterhouse industry and the cruel actions of the slaughterhouse workers—having been instructed by their supervisors to rip off birds’ heads, the workers feel no remorse in tossing around dying birds "just for fun."

    By studying the nature of psychological trauma, analyzing specific psychological mechanisms that would contribute to slaughterhouse workers’ trauma, and reviewing anecdotal evidence of slaughterhouse trauma, the remainder of this section will demonstrate that slaughterhouse workers likely suffer serious psychological trauma in their workplace.


    This is PETA BS at it's best. Boiled alive????? The first thing they do to chickens is cut off their head so even if they do throw them right into boiling water, the pain comes from the brain(whatever there is of one in a chicken) so that argument goes right out the window. I know of no other animals that get thrown into boiling water right after getting stunned or shot or slashed.

    The writer of this article is obviously a PETA or some other idiot "animals are equals to humans" groups infecting the US of A.

    And I would say that the higher crime rate in packing houses has more to do with the employees the packing houses hire, not what the employees do once hired. It's not exactly high status employment and it typically attracts illegal immigrants who are less then stellar citizens, illegal or not.

    Now excuse me so I can go make some sausage and eggs for breakfast.......



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    Re: Packing plants cause crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    You actually get paid pretty well working in a lot of slaughterhouses... and if you haven't seen a piggy slaughtered, I can see how it would desensitize people.

    My dad saw them cut a pigs throat, have the guys hang it on a hook, and then everybody was surprised when it started thrashing about and got itself off the hook and began running around spilling blood everywhere as they had to chase it down and finish it off. I mean there is some extreme nastiness that goes along with it.

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