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    Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    Comparing the freshman years of ISU’s two highest rated recruits.

    Brackins has now played in 29 games, the same number that Fizer played in his freshman year. They compiled almost identical minutes played (Fizer 784, Brackins 785, both 27 mins per game). The win/loss record is also very similar, 97-98 Clones were 12-18 (5-11 Conf).

    So looking at the statistics, what is everyone’s opinion of Brackins’ year compared to Fizer’s? Brackins has more blocks, more assists, and less turnovers. Fizer had more steals, points and rebounds.

    G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA RB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS RB AST
    Fizer 29 784 168 352 0 2 100 163 200 19 32 26 80 76 436 0.477 0 0.61 27 15 6.9 0.7
    Brackins 29 785 117 273 18 64 57 79 136 38 10 28 50 48 309 0.429 0.281 0.722 27.1 10.7 4.7 1.3

    P.S. This is my first post - is there a way I can better format the stats so they line up and are earier to read?

    ISUFAN22 EDIT...adding data that is easier to read...

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneAggie View Post
    ...... Fizer.. Brackins
    G..... 29..... 29
    MP.... 784.... 785
    FG.... 168.... 117
    FGA... 352.... 273
    3P.... 0...... 18
    3PA... 2...... 64
    FT.... 100.... 57
    FTA... 163.... 79
    RB.... 200.... 136
    AST... 19..... 38
    STL... 32..... 10
    BLK... 26..... 28
    TOV... 80..... 50
    PF.... 76..... 48
    PTS... 436.... 309
    FG%... 0.477.. 0.429
    3P%... 0...... 0.281
    FT%... 0.61... 0.722
    MP.... 27..... 27.1
    PTS... 15..... 10.7
    RB.... 6.9.... 4.7
    AST... 0.7.... 1.3


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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    I would love to see Brackins become our next post player inside. I think he can do what Jire has done this year, if he improves his game with his back towards the basket. He also needs to bulk up a little, but I think he has the potential for 20 and 10 if he buys into being a true post (and gets a little nasty streak). What does everybody else think?



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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    There is some encouraging stuff in those stats, but I think Fizer had a much better year. For a big guy I would rather have points and rebounds over anything else.

    Look at the difference in the amount of 3's taken. I know Brackins can knock them down, but that is a big pet peeve of mine is when our bigs throw up a 3. The main reason is because if they don't make it, the rebound will almost for sure go to the other team because there is no one under the basket to fight them for it!

    Fizer had a better year, but I think Brackins really hit a slump and his stats have suffered because of it. I think Brackins is better than he has been playing lately.

    BTW, the stats were easy enough to read. Good first post!



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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    Honestly, I've been pretty down on Brackins lately but seeing those numbers puts it into perspective really. He just needs to hit the weights and turn into a more aggressive/physical player. I think that's what we remember about Fizer - even has a chubby freshman, his tenacity was noticible.

    It's been frustrating to see Craig get the ball slapped away, get called for travelling(seems a lot lately) and get toasted on defense.

    With that being said, I still think the sky is the limit for him.


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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    Good first post!

    The stat that stuck out to me:

    3 pointers: Fizer 0-2, Brackins 18-64 (with 8 of those in 1 game)



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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by rhillary View Post
    There is some encouraging stuff in those stats, but I think Fizer had a much better year. For a big guy I would rather have points and rebounds over anything else.

    Look at the difference in the amount of 3's taken. I know Brackins can knock them down, but that is a big pet peeve of mine is when our bigs throw up a 3. The main reason is because if they don't make it, the rebound will almost for sure go to the other team because there is no one under the basket to fight them for it!

    Fizer had a better year, but I think Brackins really hit a slump and his stats have suffered because of it. I think Brackins is better than he has been playing lately.

    BTW, the stats were easy enough to read. Good first post!
    I have no problem with Bigs taking threes... I actually think it BENEFITS us in terms of getting offensive rebounds. Look at Drake, their two best three point shooters are their 4 and 5 and they are one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the country. With Brackins or Jiri shooting the three that draws out the other teams biggest guy and SHOULD free up our two best rebounders, Rahshon and Wes to get offensive boards...



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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    Kudos socalclone1 on your first post!!

    I think Fizer was better because he showed some toughness and seemed to play well at the end of the year. Craig hasn't shown much toughness, but I think he'll have a break-out year next season.


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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    ...... Fizer.. Brackins
    G..... 29..... 29
    MP.... 784.... 785
    FG.... 168.... 117
    FGA... 352.... 273
    3P.... 0...... 18
    3PA... 2...... 64
    FT.... 100.... 57
    FTA... 163.... 79
    RB.... 200.... 136
    AST... 19..... 38
    STL... 32..... 10
    BLK... 26..... 28
    TOV... 80..... 50
    PF.... 76..... 48
    PTS... 436.... 309
    FG%... 0.477.. 0.429
    3P%... 0...... 0.281
    FT%... 0.61... 0.722
    MP.... 27..... 27.1
    PTS... 15..... 10.7
    RB.... 6.9.... 4.7
    AST... 0.7.... 1.3


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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    One thing I think we need to consider in terms of scoring - is the Craig has more options surrounding him this season. I know that sounds obtuse, given the season we've had. But I think it's very reasonable that Craig is maybe the third option in most games, when Wes and Jiri are playing/healthy.

    Marcus was option number 1 from the second he stepped on campus. And I can't think of who else he had on his frosh squad that was another threat (??). Shirley, Rancik, Stevie Johnson? Was Mike Nurse on that team? Tinsley & Horton didn't show for two more years.

    But I also agree that CB has hit a wall that has hindered his stats the last 4 or 5 games.

    To me, I hope it's a sign of how good CB will be with another year or two under his belt.



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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by cybsball20 View Post
    I have no problem with Bigs taking threes... I actually think it BENEFITS us in terms of getting offensive rebounds. Look at Drake, their two best three point shooters are their 4 and 5 and they are one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the country. With Brackins or Jiri shooting the three that draws out the other teams biggest guy and SHOULD free up our two best rebounders, Rahshon and Wes to get offensive boards...
    Yeah, you have a point. If the D is running a man they are going to suck the other team's bigs out, but if their in a zone, then the bigs are down there waiting for the rebound.

    I guess I just like my bigs to be bruiser types, like Homan and Vroman, rather than sniper 3-point types, like Jiri (was) and Brackins (sometimes). I would rather by big post up, but that probably is a personal preferences.



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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    Others have said it and I agree: the Baylor game was one of the worst things that could've happened to Brackins this year. He nailed a ton of 3s which got his confidence up. I'm against bigs shooting 3s unless they have proven they can hit them. The Baylor game, at the time, led me to believe that maybe Brackins was a guy who could shoot from outside. However, at some point when he kept putting up brick after brick from 3, coach needs to step in and remind him that 3s are not what is going to make him big bucks someday.


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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by rhillary View Post
    Yeah, you have a point. If the D is running a man they are going to suck the other team's bigs out, but if their in a zone, then the bigs are down there waiting for the rebound.

    I guess I just like my bigs to be bruiser types, like Homan and Vroman, rather than sniper 3-point types, like Jiri (was) and Brackins (sometimes). I would rather by big post up, but that probably is a personal preferences.
    Mac recruited Brackins full well knowing what kind of player he is... I have even heard Mac say that he doesn't mind Jiri and Brackins shooting because they are two of the best shooters on the team... That being said, I was also not a huge fan of Homan. I always thought he forced shots over double and triple teams when we had guys wide open and didn't have much for touch. Plus the stupid frustration fouls (which I am thinking must be a trait handed down to our big men).



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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    I'm sorely disappointed with Brackins because Rivals put 5 stars by his name and he's played most of the time like someone with 2 1/2 or 3 stars by his name.

    In all seriousness, he has the tools to be a great one for ISU and I have a lot of hope for the kid. He has a lot of growing to do and the right kind of coach to improve his performance.


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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Architect View Post
    Honestly, I've been pretty down on Brackins lately but seeing those numbers puts it into perspective really. He just needs to hit the weights and turn into a more aggressive/physical player.
    Ditto that.



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    Re: Comparing Fizer & Brackins frosh yrs

    in the stats you can definately tell Fizer was more of a banger type Center look at the FT & FTA. But on the other hand Brakins was higher rated coming of HS. I think the stats show alot of similarities and can make us excited to see his growth in the future.


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