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    BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    The tackles are piling up for the Clones with national leaders in Bowen #1, McKenzie #7, and Banks #29. This trio of linebackers are all in the Top 30 in the nation. Go Clones.

    Year: 2006 : 10/07/06 Minimum Pct. of Games Played 75 Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Solo Ast Total PG

    1 Alvin Bowen, Iowa St. LB JR 6 44 42 86 14.33
    2 David Vobora, Idaho LB JR 6 49 27 76 12.67
    3 Tim McCarthy, Northern Ill. LB SO 4 22 24 46 11.50
    3 Drew Fowler, Air Force LB JR 4 15 31 46 11.50
    5 Beau Bell, UNLV LB JR 5 31 26 57 11.40
    6 H.B. Blades, Pittsburgh LB SR 6 37 31 68 11.33
    7 Tyrone McKenzie, Iowa St. LB SO 6 31 36 67 11.17
    8 Mike Klinkenborg, Iowa LB JR 6 22 44 66 11.00
    9 J Leman, Illinois LB JR 6 30 35 65 10.83
    10 Thomas Keith, Central Mich. LB JR 6 29 35 64 10.67
    11 Keyonvis Bouie, Florida Int'l LB SR 6 40 23 63 10.50
    11 Matthew Castelo, San Jose St. LB JR 4 17 25 42 10.50
    13 Kelvin Smith, Syracuse LB SR 6 30 32 62 10.33
    13 Patrick Willis, Mississippi LB SR 6 44 18 62 10.33
    15 Terrel White, Bowling Green LB SR 5 21 30 51 10.20
    16 Quincy Black, New Mexico LB SR 6 26 35 61 10.17
    17 Chris Smith, Florida Int'l DB SR 6 44 16 60 10.00
    18 Ramon Guzman, Buffalo LB SR 5 27 22 49 9.80
    18 Troy Collavo, UTEP LB SR 5 22 27 49 9.80
    20 Wesley Woodyard, Kentucky LB JR 6 42 16 58 9.67
    21 Kevin Payne, La.-Monroe DB SR 5 31 17 48 9.60
    21 Blair Phillips, Oregon LB SR 5 27 21 48 9.60
    23 Brian Raines, Rice LB SO 6 42 15 57 9.50
    24 Nelson Coleman, Tulsa LB JR 5 20 27 47 9.40
    25 Marvin Mitchell, Tennessee LB SR 6 36 20 56 9.33
    25 Korey Hall, Boise St. LB SR 6 25 31 56 9.33
    27 Brannon Condren, Troy DB SR 5 38 8 46 9.20
    27 Adam Leonard, Hawaii LB SO 5 28 18 46 9.20
    29 C.J. Wallace, Washington DB SR 6 33 22 55 9.17
    29 Jon Banks, Iowa St. DB JR 6 33 22 55 9.17

    We might not stop them initially with the front four, but we eventually get our man.


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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    Bowen had 17, Banks 13, and McKenzie 11 against Nebraska. Bo Ruud led Nebraska with 9.


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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    Well it's a heck of a lot easier to rack up those tackles when you are on the field for 2/3 of the game....every game. These stats are meaningless. It's a reflection of our defense's lack of ability to stop the opponent soon enough. If we get 15 tackles on one drive, but the opponent still gets the touchdown, do those tackles really matter?



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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    Well it's a heck of a lot easier to rack up those tackles when you are on the field for 2/3 of the game....every game. These stats are meaningless. It's a reflection of our defense's lack of ability to stop the opponent soon enough. If we get 15 tackles on one drive, but the opponent still gets the touchdown, do those tackles really matter?
    Good catch, iowast8fan. Did these stats emerge from Mac's press conference yesterday? Could these be the "IDOTIC MAC STAT of the WEEK"?? :-)



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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    Quote Originally Posted by iowast8fan View Post
    Well it's a heck of a lot easier to rack up those tackles when you are on the field for 2/3 of the game....every game. These stats are meaningless. It's a reflection of our defense's lack of ability to stop the opponent soon enough. If we get 15 tackles on one drive, but the opponent still gets the touchdown, do those tackles really matter?

    Your positivity is refreshing...

    While I know we don't want to all come across drinking the "everything is good koolaid" I do think things are getting out of hand on boards like this. The one thing that I thought used to personifiy ISU fans is that they would not turn on their team like others do. I used to sit back and quietly laugh at teams like Iowa when their fans would savage Alford and their team when things went bad. While ISU fans would still point out weaknesses in our teams it would not generally sink to the depth of destructive comments like they do now.

    Say something positive, and get a follow up wise-guy negative remark... like above. That seems to be our mode of operation.

    I think people need to take a look at this quote from Chuck Swindoll...
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    "The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life. Attitude, to me, is more important than facts. It is more important than the past, than education, than money, than circumstances, than failures, than success, than what other people think or say or do. It is more important than appearance, giftedness, or skill. It will make or break a company, a church, or a home. The remarkable thing is that we have a choice every day regarding the attitude we will embrace for the day. We cannot change our past. Nor can we change the fact that people will act in a certain way. We also cannot change the inevitable. The only thing that we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude. I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it. And so it is with you – we are in charge of our attitudes."
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    I know, I know... someone is going to say... stop drinking the koolaid... have higher expectations... Mac has had his chance... this is embarrashing... blah, blah, blah... That is all talk to justify being negative and feeding off the bad. We should not accept crappy performance... but let's have that discussion after the season, and let's stop with the destructive, always looking for the negative comments. Let's debate this when we are more than 2 games into the Big 12 season.

    Yes, I will rant from time to time, but this board and othes have simply gotten out of hand with the bashing. I imagine Hawks love to come here and see fans self destruct worse than the team we are bashing. I for one, will be here less... it's too depressing. Not about the team, but about how the fans (???) are acting... like spoiled kids.

    Newsflash... we are 2 games into the Big 12.






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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    Quote Originally Posted by iowast8fan View Post
    Well it's a heck of a lot easier to rack up those tackles when you are on the field for 2/3 of the game....every game. These stats are meaningless. It's a reflection of our defense's lack of ability to stop the opponent soon enough. If we get 15 tackles on one drive, but the opponent still gets the touchdown, do those tackles really matter?
    Ya, blame it all on the defense......Could it also be that the offense can't sustain a drive which keeps the defense on the field also?????? Our defense was on the field it felt like 80% of the second half. You CAN'T expect a defense to stop everything when they are on the field most of the game. I don't care how many wheaties they ate before the game, you are going to tire out everytime when that happens.

    I definitely agree with amend1's post about ISU fans sinking to EIU's fan attitude. Basically it sucks. 90% of the posts on this site, and I am sure on the other ones as well, complain about how are defense sucks even though I felt our defense stepped it up in the second half against Nebraska keeping them from scoring until late in the 4th quarter when we were dragging arse. Our defense set the stage for our offense to come back in the 2nd half and win the game for us and it didn't happen basically IMO because of the offensive line's lack of effort and urgency, but that's another thread. Our defense is making improving at a fast pace and they deserve some credit.....



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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    I agree that the stat is a bad thing for our defense, it shows that they are on the field way too much, but it is a great stat for these players especially Bowen and MacKenzie as it shows that they are in on nearly every play and can fly to the ball.



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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonesrule91 View Post
    Ya, blame it all on the defense......Could it also be that the offense can't sustain a drive which keeps the defense on the field also??????
    Yeah....that. Our offense is really hurting out young defense right now.

    As far as the tackle stats...I would like to see more tackles made by our d-line...



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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    Our defense is not so young anymore. We are halfway through the season and we have had lots of defensive plays. The problem resides with the senior o line - they can not move and block on passing as well as Bret knows. The pro set allows only one back blocking on the blitz up the middle. Defensive lineman Barry Cryer of Nebraska had a field day for the first time. If we can block for some of the key third down teams, our team will improve overnight.


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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    Now that Banks had practice as a safety in pass coverage, he may do well in the linebacker position on those short passes. The defense is on the rise - is the offense getting better or have we stagnated?


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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    Complain about my counterpoint post all you want, it still remains true. You can't argue that ISU doesn't have a bad defense, they do. They are ranked dead last for pass defense, with opponents completing 75% of their passes. We are nowhere near the front of the pack for rush defense. That is great that the players have so many tackles, but it says more about our pass rush and defensive line than it does about our Linebackers. Most of those tackles are coming after 5+ yards gained.

    I suppose I could just keep quiet and not respond to these "positive" posts, but they are just spin, and I am tired of the spin. I'll post something positive when I see something positive from the team. So far, we have losses and very close wins against bad teams. I don't see anything positive in that.



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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    Here is a positive post: We still have next year.



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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    Quote from above: Complain about my counterpoint post all you want, it still remains true. You can't argue that ISU doesn't have a bad defense, they do. They are ranked dead last for pass defense, with opponents completing 75% of their passes. Unquote



    Definitely dead ringer for last. However, we have better defenses in Big 12 than we have offenses. Actually the whole Big 12 looked bad preseason on offense.

    What I read as Clone stats and what I see/feel are two different things. Schedule has been more challenging, but what surprises me is the few long plays made against our defense. What surprises me is lack of making turnovers. What surprises me the lack of having defensive ends inspiration. We miss Berryman more than we will ever know. I think Matt Robertson replacement linebacker spot and the Steve Paris et al backfield has been okay. Yet, we have no star power for a blitz. The one DeMarcus blitz directly resulted in the Maurice Purify touchdown. Zilch for blitzing power. Who in the league has to worrry about our blitz package? Nobody. Guess it is time for a change on our blitzing use. Try to surprise them instead of running it at obvious times. That puts them into first or second and long. You blitz only when your front four cannot bring pressure on the opposing qb the whole game who completes 75% of the passes.


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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryceman View Post
    Our defense is not so young anymore.
    No doubt. Those stats really tell the story about how much time this D is on the field. Bowen leads the nation in tackles because he has seen more plays than any other linebacker in the country, and he is very talented. Having three guys in the list really tells you something. Anyone have stats on how many plays our D has seen compared to the average or any other team? I bet our D has the equivalent of 7 games worth of plays or more compared to other teams.

    What are the chances that if Bowen leads the nation in tackles at the end of the season he declares for the draft? I doubt it, but that sure would sting.


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    Re: BIG CLONE STAT OF THE WEEK - Bowen. McKenzie, Banks

    A better rush would cure a lot of the problems. We have not even hit double digits yet after six games when team are passing many times.


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