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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    Wow, they are really getting desperate.



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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    Quote Originally Posted by cyismydog View Post
    Wow, they are really getting desperate.
    I wouldn't necessarily call it desperate - I'd call it exchanging a high cost factor of production for a lower cost one. Union contracts allow GM to pay new employees much less than older employees. New less expensive employees can do essentially the same thing as older, more expensive employees. Plus this has been done before. I don't call it desperate - I call it smart.


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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    This is a management problem, if nothing else. Auto workers are overcompensated, but only because management caved on compensation.

    Another good reason why unions are not good for workers. Of course, Corporate management is crappy, too.



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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    This is a management problem, if nothing else. Auto workers are overcompensated, but only because management caved on compensation.

    Another good reason why unions are not good for workers. Of course, Corporate management is crappy, too.
    If GM only learned to manage the way Honda, Toyota, and Nissan manage, there would be no need for unions. In those places it would actually be a WORSE deal for the workers to involve unions than it would be to negotiate directly with management.


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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    Cheaper labor = "cheaper" (aka less quality) cars?



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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

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    Cheaper labor = "cheaper" (aka less quality) cars?
    Maybe, but it's mostly machines that do the building and people that operate the automated machines. Just about any idiot off the street can operate a machine by pressing a button.

    But then again, you drive Nissans - what do you care about the quality of American-made cars?


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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    I'm discussion the topic, I'm not sure what the cars I drive have anything to do with it.

    For the record, I've owned 2 GM vehicles.



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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    Man....$14 and $16.23 an hour is not bad for a starting wadge for someone that didn't finish highschool or go to college. That is a really good offer for someone in that situation. In Iowa there is probably a lot of entry level professionals making that. We start our helpdesk people out at $15 an hour and our IT Techs start out at about $18-19 And that is with the techs needing to be certified and have a degree.



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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    Cheaper labor = "cheaper" (aka less quality) cars?
    I don't know if that's necessarily true. It's the union moto that it is though. I'd much rather hire a young hard working cheaper employee rather than being forced to keep on a slow lazy tenured worker. I'd also rather promote the best worker, not just the ones that have been there the longest. I think without the unions you'd have much better cars.


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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    Quote Originally Posted by CTAClone View Post
    I think without the unions you'd have much better cars.
    I can't disagree with that.



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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    I'm discussion the topic, I'm not sure what the cars I drive have anything to do with it.

    For the record, I've owned 2 GM vehicles.

    My parents and I have only owned GM, but 2 years ago my wife and I bought 2 dodge vehicles. I miss the GM life.
    I guess it doesn't matter anyway. 10 years from now there will only be Toyota's and Kia's on the road anyway.



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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    Quote Originally Posted by HandSanitizer View Post
    Man....$14 and $16.23 an hour is not bad for a starting wadge for someone that didn't finish highschool or go to college. That is a really good offer for someone in that situation. In Iowa there is probably a lot of entry level professionals making that. We start our helpdesk people out at $15 an hour and our IT Techs start out at about $18-19 And that is with the techs needing to be certified and have a degree.
    About 5 years ago the Grocery Store Employee Union went on Strike here in LA, they demanded to receive starting wages at $18 an hour. They won too. You don't see high school kids bagging groceries, it's adults.


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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    Quote Originally Posted by HandSanitizer View Post
    My parents and I have only owned GM, but 2 years ago my wife and I bought 2 dodge vehicles. I miss the GM life.
    I guess it doesn't matter anyway. 10 years from now there will only be Toyota's and Kia's on the road anyway.
    I hate Kia's. There really isn't a buy American mentality anymore like there was in the late 80's, early 90's. Probably because America stopped making quality products.


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    Re: GM offers buyouts to all U.S. workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    Cheaper labor = "cheaper" (aka less quality) cars?
    Cheaper labor = more profit

    This aside from the fact that they can probably keep prices lower to compete more with other companies. As far as quality goes, as long as they compete, that's all they need to do.



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