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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Quote Originally Posted by cyrocksmypants View Post
    Maybe not at the beginning of the season.
    Touché.



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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Quote Originally Posted by cuphues View Post
    Upside related to a year of development is irrelevant. You start who gives you the best chance to win period. Look, if Grant improves this year and then is good enough to beat out Sam next year, then great. Again, next year the coaches will assess who gives them the best chance to win in that given year. Maybe it will be Grant next year if he develops more than Sam. But, your argument to start Grant because of potential for next year holds no water.

    Best QB NOW starts and it always should be that way.
    Cuphues, are you going with the DFW Cyclones to the OK State game? If so, look me up, we could have a Spelling Bee contest and figure out just who is the grammar champion over a few beers and brats


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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Quote Originally Posted by temperflare View Post
    Rohach is a sophomore and is right on par with SR, a junior, if not ahead of him. Thinking long term, I'll take Rohach as I don't believe the short term results between the two will be much different. Rohach will be much better his junior year than SR will be in his.

    Again, I'll support whomever Mangino goes with as I like both QBs and really, I just want to see more W's and I don't really care which QB gets us there.

    Where do you get Grant is on par with or ahead of Grant. I don't see that at all. I'll also always take the more experienced player. I hope for a day like the Texas Tech of old where a new RD Sr takes over every year to have a break out year.



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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan94 View Post
    What the hell does this even mean? I've been hearing this since it was announced that Steele Jantz would be coming to ISU. "Steel has more Upside?" What is it exactly that Grant has more of that Sam does not? I'm not trying to be a *******, I seriously need someone to explain to me what "More Upside" is.
    Anyone using the "upside" argument is basing it solely on their opinion, from what I gather. So far, no one has been able to calculate or document how upside is determined. "Having more upside" is an overused phrase that doesn't have any basis behind it.



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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    This argument is dumb. Coaches decide not fans. I will trust Paul and Mangino over temperboy fan.



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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Quote Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY View Post
    A lot of blind assumptions here. More seasons left to play does not mean greater upside. How are you getting that Grant as a junior will be much better than Sam as a junior? Sam is currently on par, if not ahead, and has a larger upside in our offense.

    With the two only being off by a year, the whole upside argument is not significant anyways.
    Quote Originally Posted by temperflare View Post
    Ask CPR (or any other coach) how much difference a single year makes and I am certain he will say you are severely undervaluing it.

    I mean, coaches RS players just for giggles right? C'mon get real.
    Yeah, and there's also a reason it's almost always their freshman year they get redshirted. As both have been redshirted and neither are true freshmen, that doesn't really seem to matter too much.



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    Wink Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Quote Originally Posted by DuckDynastyCy View Post
    Cuphues, are you going with the DFW Cyclones to the OK State game? If so, look me up, we could have a Spelling Bee contest and figure out just who is the grammar champion over a few beers and brats
    I am hoping to attend the OSU game but have yet to lock in the plans. We usually go to that game in Stillwater every other year since my wife is originally from Oklahoma and attended OSU. I will take you up on that challenge.

    i will be BUMBED if I can't make it!



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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Quote Originally Posted by temperflare View Post
    Ask CPR (or any other coach) how much difference a single year makes and I am certain he will say you are severely undervaluing it.

    I mean, coaches RS players just for giggles right? C'mon get real.
    Neat, but not the argument at hand.
    The one year comment means that you do not devalue the importance of the next two years due to some perceived payoff three years from now. With only one year difference, Grant being better in his class year than Sam in his class year is largely irrelevant.

    Of course this is all for not anyways, as it is likely you have that backwards. I saw nothing that suggests Grant as a rs freshman was ahead of Sam as a rs freshman, if anything the opposite.



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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    I would say a giraffe has more upside than a pig.



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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Quote Originally Posted by TruClone View Post
    I would say a giraffe has more upside than a pig.
    That's nonsense. Everyone knows that he higher you are in the air, the easier you are to spot and be killed. Everyone knows that a pig has more upside than a giraffe.



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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Quote Originally Posted by ExCyment View Post
    Where do you get Grant is on par with or ahead of Grant. I don't see that at all. I'll also always take the more experienced player. I hope for a day like the Texas Tech of old where a new RD Sr takes over every year to have a break out year.
    Have you been in a cave? It has taken up until tomorrow for our coaches to make a decision as to who the starter will be. That should tell you that one isn't ahead by much with one having an additional year experience.

    If that doesn't tell you something, well, I can't help you.



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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Quote Originally Posted by temperflare View Post
    Have you been in a cave? It has taken up until tomorrow for our coaches to make a decision as to who the starter will be. That should tell you that one isn't ahead by much with one having an additional year experience.

    If that doesn't tell you something, well, I can't help you.
    That or they're going with the age old trick of giving your opponent as little time as possible for who to prepare for. Not that I agree that it's successful, but you're just ignorant if you don't think every coach does it.



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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Sam is clearly the superior runner, but he's been too quick to abandon the pocket. If Sam is a little more cool in the pocket, he is a better QB than Rohach right now. He has made a few passes that make me say 'wow.' See: Slant to Bundrage for the 97-yard TD, Back-shoulder toss to Bundrage? against Oklahoma State. He's also had moments that make me say 'wtf.' See: flip over back's head for INT against Texas Tech. His confidence was shattered last season, and he was still recovering in the spring from what I could tell. It looked like he was afraid to pull the trigger in the spring game. He was also legitimately injured after the moped incident. I hope he can stay healthy all season because his best is pretty good.

    Also, Peterson also predicted Klenakis would be the OC. He's clueless.


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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Quote Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY View Post
    Neat, but not the argument at hand.
    The one year comment means that you do not devalue the importance of the next two years due to some perceived payoff three years from now. With only one year difference, Grant being better in his class year than Sam in his class year is largely irrelevant.

    Of course this is all for not anyways, as it is likely you have that backwards. I saw nothing that suggests Grant as a rs freshman was ahead of Sam as a rs freshman, if anything the opposite.
    The fact that SR has not established himself as the clear starter while Rohach was no1 coming out of spring and into the fall tells me that although he may be the starter tomorrow, he isn't THAT much better than Rohach if he even is.

    My point is that if they are, for the most part, even, I would fully understand why Rohach would be named starter over SR. I do think the coaches will select whomever can help us win now. I don't think they should start Rohach if SR can help us win now. All I am sayin is that Rohach could be that much better down the road and help us get more wins if he gains starting experience this season.



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    Re: Randy Pete: Starter will be Richardson

    Quote Originally Posted by temperflare View Post
    The fact that SR has not established himself as the clear starter while Rohach was no1 coming out of spring and into the fall tells me that although he may be the starter tomorrow, he isn't THAT much better than Rohach if he even is.
    I feel differently than you do. If Sam is only slightly better I think Grant would stay #1 since he ended the season and spring ball there. If Sam is named the starter I think he has separated himself from Grant.



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