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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    Quote Originally Posted by 83Clone View Post
    If he has his degree, I agree
    That should never be a deciding factor in retiring a jersey.



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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    The wikipedia on him says

    " The story about how he became a youth minister is interesting and shocking, as his mother was being taken to the hospital for the abortion before he was born. Fortunately, the car crashed into a church and the abortion was not done."

    Crazy if true.



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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    Why? What happened when he was playing at ISU was something special. One of the greatest players of all times in the Big 12. He did so much for ISU.
    Its part of the ISU criteria to do so i believe.....



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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    Quote Originally Posted by chadly82 View Post
    Its part of the ISU criteria to do so i believe.....
    It needs to change then.


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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    It needs to change then.
    No. It shouldn't.



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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    Quote Originally Posted by CornFedIABoy View Post
    No. It shouldn't.
    Why not?


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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    The guy was a great cyclone on the hardwood.

    Seemed to be a good guy

    Now is a youth minister helping children

    Degree or no degree he can be in my ISU hall of fame. I bet Johnny would say he should be up there.


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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    A DEGREE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR JERSEY HANGING! HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.



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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    Thanks 4 the great post!
    We should have a Welcome Back game for these guys.



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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    Why not?
    Retiring a player's jersey isn't, or at least shouldn't be, just about their performance on the court. It's fashionable to laugh at the idea of "Student Athletes" these days but for something like this that ideal should be maintained. If we're not going to do that then screw it, contract the program off to the NBA D-league and have done.

    Any set of requirements should include at least four basic criteria: athletic performance, academic achievement, devotion to the University, and good character. Graduating, even if it happens years after a player leaves competition, should be the minimum expectation of academic achievement.

    Honestly, if Fizer would just do that one thing I'd be at the front of the line to see his jersey hung. He undeniably meets anybody's athletic performance expectations for retirement. His sticking at ISU through the coaching change and for his JR year meet my expectation for devotion to the University. His current activities pass the good character test. The only thing holding him back, in my mind at least, is an ISU Degree.



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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    Quote Originally Posted by nfrine View Post
    Georges will....
    He will but what Georges will never do is sniff being a top 3 pick in the draft. I love the guy, in 2 years he's already one of my all time favorite Cyclones but to compare their NBA potential (at this point) is not even close to the same thing.



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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    I never knew about the house burning down so I need to be in the NBA thing. I always wondered why he left when he did because we returned almost everything from a conference regular season title, conference tourney title, and Elite Eight run. Strong case for Top 3 preseason ranking and the team was great again in the regular season.



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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    Quote Originally Posted by heitclone View Post
    He will but what Georges will never do is sniff being a top 3 pick in the draft. I love the guy, in 2 years he's already one of my all time favorite Cyclones but to compare their NBA potential (at this point) is not even close to the same thing.
    But this raises another question...is it about their ISU impact or the potential to be a pro? Melvin is a prime example. He is on my Mt Rushmore of ISU bball....devoted, academic all american, stuck with it, stat stuffer, on winning teams, Big 12 POY, etc.....didn't get drafted.

    The whole jersey retiring thing is tricky.....because the game does change. My great uncle was on the team that won the the last regular season championship in 1945 (prior to the Fizer teams)...and after the games he had to sweep the bleachers. He obviously was a great cyclone....but not the same as a starter on a conf. champ team now.



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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    Jack Trice did not graduate. Every student and person has unique circumstances to their life that send them on their journey. I think it ISU's duty to take a look at the whole picture rather than to make a list of check boxes to be named great.

    Greatness can be defined in a lot of ways.


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    Re: In retrospect Marcus Fizer

    Quote Originally Posted by BringBackJohnny View Post
    Jack Trice did not graduate. Every student and person has unique circumstances to their life that send them on their journey. I think it ISU's duty to take a look at the whole picture rather than to make a list of check boxes to be named great.

    Greatness can be defined in a lot of ways.
    This is an awful comparison


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