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    The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    What pisses me off with Herm Edwards is that he has not shown anything period for the Chiefs. The Jets beat the Chiefs, there is a feather in there cap. we dominated the Raiders in the past 8 gams and we lose the game AT HOME, home field advantage at Arrowhead is something in the past. The Chiefs had a .975% win ratio (at HOME) in December and lost ALL HOME GAMES IN DECEMBER.

    So the Chiefs in two years are 13-20.
    The last time the Chiefs where even close to a 4-12 was in '88 when they where 4-11-1. This is the 3rd worst season in franchise history. the other two was in 1977 when they went 2-12 (the worst in franchise history, and then in 1978 when they were 4-12

    Here in Kansas City, though, we can still argue whether Herm Edwards, riding a nine-game losing streak, should stick around.
    But how long is long enough for Edwards, or any other coach trying to rebuild in the NFL?

    Given the gradual process of drafting and developing winning players and keeping more talent than is lost in free agency, you might assume a coach needs five years to turn around an NFL team. In reality, most coaches build a winner within three years or not at all.

    Just try to find many coaches who won a Super Bowl or enjoyed substantial success without making the playoffs by the end of their third seasons. Edwards, of course, took Chiefs and Jets to the playoffs immediately. But itís doubtful that he or anybody else wants a 9-7 finish in 2006 to stand as the apex of his Kansas City career.

    Check out the seven coaches of the last 10 Super Bowl winners. All reached the playoffs no later than their third season. Super Bowls have been won by Tampa Bayís Jon Gruden his debut season, New Englandís Bill Belichick and Baltimoreís Brian Billick their second seasons and Denverís Mike Shanahan and St. Louisí Dick Vermeil in their third seasons. Indianapolisí Tony Dungy and Pittsburghís Bill Cowher needed more time to win the Lombardi Trophy but made the playoffs in their first seasons.

    Itís been a long time since Tom Landry was allowed to coach six years for the expansion Dallas Cowboys before making the playoffs and starting one of the NFLís great dynasties. Itís been almost half a century, in fact, and how old does that make some of us feel?

    Check out the other dynasty coaches Ė Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh or Joe Gibbs the first time around. Of that group only Noll, who inherited a Pittsburgh franchise bankrupt of talent, needed as many as four years to start winning big.

    The third year was always a charm for Vermeil. He coached the Philadelphia Eagles, a down-and-out franchise when he took over in 1976, to the playoffs in his third year. After 6-10 and 8-8 seasons with the Chiefs, he got off to a 9-0 start in 2003 and finished 13-3.

    This is a constant pattern for NFL coaches, whether before or after free agency began in 1993 or whether they inherited winning or losing teams. Three years seems to be the point at which a coach gets his fire blazing or remains futilely trying to light a match.

    If there is a scientific explanation for this, you wonít read it here. Youíll just get a best guess.

    Maybe players stop buying into a head coachís program if they donít experience success after three years. Maybe by his third year, a coach learns from his mistakes or keeps making the same ones. Maybe a coach who canít win in three years doesnít have the ability to win at all. Maybe he has the ability to win, but gets fired before getting the chance to work around a few detours.

    You donít need to fry your brain over this to know that next year will be critical for Edwards.

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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    Herm will probably not survive next year. I do think he's a decent coach though. If he gets fired, I think he would make a pretty good college coach.

    He seems like a very likeable guy and with his experience, he could probably be one heck of a recruiter.



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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    He made the playoffs last year in his first season and they didn't even make the playoffs the year before that! They lost to Peyton Manning and the super bowl champions.

    As far as this year goes, look at their talent on offense. Nobody can win in this league without quarterback play. Both their QB's are bad. Is it his fault Trent Green got hurt and they now have to find a good QB?

    You bring up December historical numbers vs. this year, they only had two home games in December this year, and both were against playoff teams. I don't see how that is anything other than overanalysis. They have a lack of talent at the most important position in football, to that add an aging offensive line that suffered some untimely injuries. Nobody could have taken them to the playoffs this year.



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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    Yeah I paid attention to that game today. The Chiefs are really really really bad. I think the Dolphins could easily beat them right now.


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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    Didn't Vermeil go 13-3 in his last season? All I know is that Herm took this team from being a perrenial AFC power and has them circling the drain.

    I remember the exact day that Herm got hired. I remember hearing them announce it on 1460 while the g/f and I were on our way to work and I ******* up a storm about it and told the g/f that Herm would pile-drive this team into the ground. I was especially mad that the Chiefs gave up a draft pick to the Jets just to get Herm away from them.



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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUAlum2002 View Post
    Didn't Vermeil go 13-3 in his last season? All I know is that Herm took this team from being a perrenial AFC power and has them circling the drain.

    I remember the exact day that Herm got hired. I remember hearing them announce it on 1460 while the g/f and I were on our way to work and I ******* up a storm about it and told the g/f that Herm would pile-drive this team into the ground. I was especially mad that the Chiefs gave up a draft pick to the Jets just to get Herm away from them.
    I remember laughing my arse off that day Herm was hired. He's the Jim Walden of the NFL, helluva nice guy, horrible coach!!!


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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    How weird to see the Chiefs, Bears, Rams, 49ers, Dolphins, and Raiders sink to the bottom while the Texans, Lions, Cardinals pass them up.


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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    How weird to see the Chiefs, Bears, Rams, 49ers, Dolphins, and Raiders sink to the bottom while the Texans, Lions, Cardinals pass them up.

    Bears are back next year!!!!


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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    How weird to see the Chiefs, Bears, Rams, 49ers, Dolphins, and Raiders sink to the bottom while the Texans, Lions, Cardinals pass them up.
    I agree except for the inclussion of the Bears in that list. I wouldn't consider 7-9 the bottom and the Lions also finished 7-9. It was certainly a disappointing season as a Bears fan but not terribly surprising.

    I'd say give Herm one more year but the Chiefs aren't going to be any better next year with our without him. I think they probably will give him one more year, go 6-10 at best and then fire him.



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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    chiefs need to get a qb and an o line and a playmaker on D

    bears need the same pretty much

    lions need.. well..idk..defense? because its not like they need another WR.. maybe a RB..and eventually a qb..cuz kitna is a short term

    rams need to get better on defense and with a healthy jackson in the back field they should be ok on off

    dolphins need everything they can get

    raiders need better WR's, OL, and Defense (still need to see what J Russel can really do in a full season


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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    I do agree that Bill Belichick himself couldn't muster more than a couple more wins with that team. Their offense is horrible. Their D is OK, but nothing special.



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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    I was never a big fan of Herm and I don't even really know why that is...all i know is KC has a LOT of work and rebuilding to do.


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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    Quote Originally Posted by acgclone View Post
    I do agree that Bill Belichick himself couldn't muster more than a couple more wins with that team. Their offense is horrible. Their D is OK, but nothing special.
    Exactly, the people who think otherwise are hilarious. Herm made the playoffs last year after the Chiefs didn't make it the year before. You could have an all star staff of the greatest coaches in history and there is no way they make the playoffs this year in the brutally competitive AFC with their terrible quarterbacks and O-Line.



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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    I thought Herm under-achieved at New York, but it killed him whenever Pennington went down, which was and is all the time.

    As far as the Bears go, I knew the moment they let Thomas Jones go this season was going to be tough, Mike Brown going down just sealed the deal after that.

    The Bears need another running back, oline help, and another playmaker on defense, that's it and were back.


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    Re: The Chiefs need to fire Herm the Destroyer

    Quote Originally Posted by cmoore_23 View Post
    chiefs need to get a qb and an o line and a playmaker on D
    Jared Allen is the play maker on D. That guy is awesome, but he can not do it all.

    Definitly need a decent QB. Huard did a good job last year and stepped up, but was (and is) terrible as the starting QB, and Croyl is a third stringer at best.



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