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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    I read he hit the throttle nearing him..? If its confirmed he did some crap to try to scare him and the guy dies because of it, will he be held accountable? What do you think they'd do? I could see two guys trying to have a ******* contest and show each other up...that happens. But if someone dies because of it, should you be allowed to keep racing? I know jack **** about racing. Like in normal road roage, people do stupid things to make the other guy mad..it happens. But if it causes someone to crash and die, you should get in serious trouble. That's the risk you took.



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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    Quote Originally Posted by isuchicago View Post
    I read he hit the throttle nearing him..? If its confirmed he did some crap to try to scare him and the guy dies because of it, will he be held accountable? What do you think they'd do? I could see two guys trying to have a ******* contest and show each other up...that happens. But if someone dies because of it, should you be allowed to keep racing? I know jack **** about racing. Like in normal road roage, people do stupid things to make the other guy mad..it happens. But if it causes someone to crash and die, you should get in serious trouble. That's the risk you took.
    That's the risk you took? Yeah, the guy starting a fight with a car coming around a turn on a slippery track at night took a serious risk.
    Your hypothetical is backwards. If someone with road rage decides to get out of their car on the busy freeway at night when it is slippery and approach on-coming traffic, and they die? Well, that is the risk they took.



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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    An FS1 legal analyst says his guess is that they would get him for second degree manslaughter. A person is found guilty of second degree manslaughter if they kill someone with criminal negligence with no intent to kill the victim.


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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    No charges will be filed. Sure to be a civil suit though.


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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    the more i read about this the less I think Stewart had any intent. There's A LOT of guys out there with experience driving these kind of cars saying that it would have been very hard for Tony to see the guy out of his car and his reaction shows an attempt to avoid. There's also a lot of idiots taking extremely irrational stances and making gross assumptions off of a grainy video someone took on their iPhone at night.

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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    An FS1 legal analyst says his guess is that they would get him for second degree manslaughter. A person is found guilty of second degree manslaughter if they kill someone with criminal negligence with no intent to kill the victim.
    Where is the criminal negligence?



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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    An FS1 legal analyst says his guess is that they would get him for second degree manslaughter. A person is found guilty of second degree manslaughter if they kill someone with criminal negligence with no intent to kill the victim.
    I would believe the ESPN legal analysists before I believe FS1's, and I believe ESPN's about as far as I can throw them. In spite of what the so-called online forensics analysts say, drivers of these sprint cars continue to say that here was no way under those circumstances (poorly lit track, no visibility outside the right side of the vehicle, the fact the other drivers barely missed hitting him themselves) that Tony could have possibly seen him until it was too late. But hey - people with zero expertise on the interwebs say that Tony is guilty of felony manslaughter/murder, so it must be true.


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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Where is the criminal negligence?
    Not sure, but if th Internet says there is, then there must have been...


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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Where is the criminal negligence?
    http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/video?vid=317063747578



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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Where is the criminal negligence?
    In the deadspin video, it doesn't look like Ward has hit head on. He seems to be beside the car, there is the sound of gunning of an engine, and then Ward goes flying. If it can be proven that Stewart gunned his engine to scare Ward, and somehow that caused the car to hit Ward, that would be criminal negligence. It would need to be shown that Stewart knew Ward was there, that the gunning engine sound in the video is actually coming from Stewart's car, that gunning the engine makes the car go right, and probably some other things. The DA will have to decide whether there is enough evidence to pursue such a charge. I saw an article stating that the sheriff is asking for copies of any other fan videos of the incident. It may be awhile before the final determination is made as to whether any criminal charges will be filed.


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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    In the deadspin video, it doesn't look like Ward has hit head on. He seems to be beside the car, there is the sound of gunning of an engine, and then Ward goes flying. If it can be proven that Stewart gunned his engine to scare Ward, and somehow that caused the car to hit Ward, that would be criminal negligence. It would need to be shown that Stewart knew Ward was there, that the gunning engine sound in the video is actually coming from Stewart's car, that gunning the engine makes the car go right, and probably some other things. The DA will have to decide whether there is enough evidence to pursue such a charge. I saw an article stating sheriff is asking for copies of any other fan videos of the incident. It may be awhile before the final determination is made as to whether any criminal charges will be filed.

    I believe they have already said he was struck by the right rear tire.



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    I would assume the criminal negligence would come in if they feel Stewart was trying to intimidate Ward.


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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    Quote Originally Posted by isuchicago View Post
    I read he hit the throttle nearing him..? If its confirmed he did some crap to try to scare him and the guy dies because of it, will he be held accountable? What do you think they'd do? I could see two guys trying to have a ******* contest and show each other up...that happens. But if someone dies because of it, should you be allowed to keep racing? I know jack **** about racing. Like in normal road roage, people do stupid things to make the other guy mad..it happens. But if it causes someone to crash and die, you should get in serious trouble. That's the risk you took.
    Hitting the throttle near him doesn't mean he was trying to scare him. In fact hitting the throttle is the easiest and fastest way to get these cars to turn left to avoid something to the right. These cars weight 1400 lbs. and have 900 hp, when you hit the throttle and spin the tires the cars turn left. When racing at full speed these cars don't corner with brakes they corner with throttle.



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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    Those guys need to stay in their car and there should be stiff penalties if the leave their car while on the track. The only exception should be if driver is in grave danger (car on fire, etc). To be getting out of the car and throwing helmets, etc when other cars are still moving on the track is asking for trouble.



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    Re: Tony Stewart may have hit/ran over someone

    If charges are filed against TS, we won't even hear a verdict on the decision for a long, long time. High profile cases like this take a long time to play out. A few quick examples:

    Oscar Pistorius murdered his wife in February 2013 and the verdict is finally coming September 2014.
    Aaron Hernandez and his murder cases still aren't even close to being done and that started June 2013.
    The Boston Marathon bombing was April 2013 and it also isn't even close to being done.


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