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    Re: Loth is done

    This is Iowa State....even if there was a way for him to apply for a medical year and he wanted to apply, he would still be denied. Those sort of things never work out for us.



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    Re: Loth is done

    Quote Originally Posted by Section110 View Post
    I think that depends what your definition of capable is. He's capable of going out there and playing, but is he capable of playing well? There was a HUGE drop off in production last year when Farniok went down. I know that's not breaking news to anyone, but I'm just saying based upon on the field production I'm not quite sure I would consider Lalk a capable backup. Farniok's health is absolutely critical to the offense.

    Really tough luck for Loth. Never like to see injuries, but it makes it even worse when it's this close to the season. Worked his butt off to be ready to contribute and he won't have that chance. Hopefully he has a strong support system, and makes the best of his life outside of football.
    There will be a drop off if Farniok goes down obviously but Lalk is just as capable as Loth was



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    Re: Loth is done

    good thing we have his replacement already in camp









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    Re: Loth is done

    Quote Originally Posted by DandyCyclone View Post
    That's why it is called a medical redshirt. It's different than the traditional redshirt. He lost a year of eligibility due to medical reasons. These things happen. Grant Gibbs (Creighton basketball) exhausted his 4th year of eligibility but he was given 6 years to do it because of injuries he had throughout his career.
    You are mistaken about what a medical redshirt is. A medical redshirt is when a player starts a season, and is injured in the first few games--and hasn't used his redshirt.

    As far as a hardship sixth year of eligibility--Steve already explained that:

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    He's already used his redshirt year. One additional year lost to a medical issue doesn't buy you a medical hardship for a 6th year of eligibility - you have to lose 2 years to injuries to have a chance to get one back.




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    Re: Loth is done

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    You are mistaken about what a medical redshirt is. A medical redshirt is when a player starts a season, and is injured in the first few games--and hasn't used his redshirt.

    As far as a hardship sixth year of eligibility--Steve already explained that:
    See post 42.


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    Re: Loth is done

    I think the confusing part is saying 5 years of eligibility. He only has 4 years of eligibility, but a 5 year clock in which to do it. The medical hardship may grant a year extension on that clock - giving him 6 years to use his 4 years of eligibility. And that's where the 2 consecutive injury years comes in to play.

    It doesn't grant an extra year in and above your redshirt.

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...-hardships.pdf



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    Re: Loth is done

    I would like to respectfully disagree that a hardship requires you to miss two years due to injury.

    So again, I don't understand why this is "career" ending, unless of course the effort to get back doesn't equal the reward. That I understand.



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    Re: Loth is done

    Ben's career

    2010 - redshirt
    2011 - saw limited action beginning with Texas Tech
    2012 - Played 2 games
    2013 - Played 9 games

    2014 - injured prior to first game.

    So his 5 years to complete 4 seasons of eligibility have expired.

    Conversely - answering my question about Settles.

    93-94 - played full season
    94-95 - played full season
    95-96 - played full season
    96-97 - Limited to 3 games and less than 20% of season - so eligible to use redshirt. Season ended due to injury
    97-98 - Sat our entire year due to injury - 2nd season of injury making him eligible for hardship waiver.
    98-99 - Played 4th year of eligibility



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    Re: Loth is done

    lol we are iowa state


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    Re: Loth is done

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Nation View Post
    I would like to respectfully disagree that a hardship requires you to miss two years due to injury.

    So again, I don't understand why this is "career" ending, unless of course the effort to get back doesn't equal the reward. That I understand.
    It's one of the unfortunate downside to redshirting while healthy as a freshman. If you lose one of the next 4 years to an injury, you only have 3 years of playing time due to the 5 year clock. If you lose 2 years to injury, you can still petition to get a 6 year clock and be able to play 3 years.

    These situations are both different than a player who has not redshirted and gets injured early in the season. In that case, he can still play 4 of his 5 years with the 5th year not counting as an season of competition if the injury is early in the year.



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    Re: Loth is done

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyClone View Post
    Ben's career

    2010 - redshirt
    2011 - saw limited action beginning with Texas Tech
    2012 - Played 2 games
    2013 - Played 9 games

    2014 - injured prior to first game.

    So his 5 years to complete 4 seasons of eligibility have expired.

    Conversely - answering my question about Settles.

    93-94 - played full season
    94-95 - played full season
    95-96 - played full season
    96-97 - Limited to 3 games and less than 20% of season - so eligible to use redshirt. Season ended due to injury
    97-98 - Sat our entire year due to injury - 2nd season of injury making him eligible for hardship waiver.
    98-99 - Played 4th year of eligibility
    I see how it works - Ben gets 5 years to play 2+ seasons. Settles gets 6 years to play 4 full seasons.



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    Re: Loth is done

    Not sure if this has been established.....but are we Iowa State?



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    Re: Loth is done

    Quote Originally Posted by Section110 View Post
    I think that depends what your definition of capable is. He's capable of going out there and playing, but is he capable of playing well? There was a HUGE drop off in production last year when Farniok went down. I know that's not breaking news to anyone, but I'm just saying based upon on the field production I'm not quite sure I would consider Lalk a capable backup. Farniok's health is absolutely critical to the offense.

    Really tough luck for Loth. Never like to see injuries, but it makes it even worse when it's this close to the season. Worked his butt off to be ready to contribute and he won't have that chance. Hopefully he has a strong support system, and makes the best of his life outside of football.
    Lalk IS a capable backup. I remember Bruns saying that he graded out very well in the iowa game before he too got injured. Takes a little depth away from OG, but they do have Taiese and Lalk can swing between Guard and Center, so team-wise, this doesn't hurt ISU all that much. That said, I do feel bad for a SR who gets hurt in the first fall practice without pads. I just think that he was going to be buried on the depth chart and would have never played barring another year or major injuries.

    BTW, the reason why there was a HUGE dropoff when Farniok went down wasn't because Lalk was playing OC. Lalk only played Center half the UNI game and half the iowa game. Then he was out. And when he came back, he was playing OG. Reality is that ISU went through a horrific streak of injuries on the OL that very few teams in the nation could withstand. The mighty hawkeyes went into a 4-8 tailspin when two starting OLs went down.


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    Re: Loth is done

    Every time I see this thread on the front page near the "Leath" thread, I keep hoping that I'm seeing "Leath is done."

    Disappointed again.



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    Re: Loth is done

    Can't believe you think that way. So far I've been impressed with Leath and not just from the athletics point of view either. He is no Geoffrey yet, but off to a good start.



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