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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by CYUL8R View Post
    I can't believe that was even worthy of them creating a blurb about. Good that we're in the news I guess? But really, how tough is it to predict our first loss could either be @Iowa or @Kansas, @KState, @Oklahoma, @Texas. Way to take a stand, BR.
    I don't believe this, due to it being basketball, and there's still some question marks, but that kind of a list shows just how far the program may have potential to go.



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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    The first year Royce and Co. were all eligible it seemed like there might be a deal where transfers take time to gel and we'd typically be a slow starter and strong finisher, but I think that philosophy was highly flawed...it's actually an advantage early on in seasons now that we typically have a star player or two returning every year.

    Since we had Ejim and Niang as stud players mixing in Kane was an advantage compared to other teams mixing in freshmen. Next year we bring back a lot of experienced talent and are mixing in 3 older players, one of whom is very experienced and proven. The two freshman are the gravy while other teams we face are going to be leaning on younger newcomers. It was only a disadvantage those first two years when the transfers were pencilled in as the core.

    Not saying ISU will go 14-0 non conf every year, but if the makeup of this team and last continues they should have an edge early in seasons.


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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    The Cyclones 1st loss will be EXACTLY when the other team scores more points than the Clones do. Take that to Vegas and bet the house on it!



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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by ronandkay View Post
    The Cyclones 1st loss will be EXACTLY when the other team scores more points than the Clones do. Take that to Vegas and bet the house on it!
    So if at 19:30 left in the first half of the first game we are down 2-0, we lose?


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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by peteypie View Post
    So if at 19:30 left in the first half of the first game we are down 2-0, we lose?
    To some people, yes



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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by JackCyclone View Post
    How do we go from pretty tough non conference schedule in 2013-2014 to cupcake non conference schedule this year?
    Other than replacing Michigan with one of the worst teams in D-1 basketball, this year's schedule, I think, is slightly better. Of course, not having that one elite game does make a large impact.

    Here are '13/'14 KenPom rankings of non-conference opponents, side by side, to show what I'm talking about:

    '13/'14 /// '14/'15

    10* /// n/a
    28 /// 28
    53 /// 42**
    79 /// 52
    94 /// 63
    129 /// 92
    137 /// 114
    141 /// 195
    216 /// 200
    217 /// 207
    273 /// 273
    278 /// 342
    n/a /// 347***

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    * - Michigan
    ** - average of Maryland/Arizona State
    *** - Mississippi Valley State


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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by kucyclone View Post
    Other than replacing Michigan with one of the worst teams in D-1 basketball, this year's schedule, I think, is slightly better. Of course, not having that one elite game does make a large impact.

    Here are '13/'14 KenPom rankings of non-conference opponents, side by side, to show what I'm talking about:

    '13/'14 /// '14/'15

    10* /// n/a
    28 /// 28
    53 /// 42**
    79 /// 52
    94 /// 63
    129 /// 92
    137 /// 114
    141 /// 195
    216 /// 200
    217 /// 207
    273 /// 273
    278 /// 342
    n/a /// 347***

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    * - Michigan
    ** - average of Maryland/Arizona State
    *** - Mississippi Valley State
    That's assuming the rankings would carry over roughly similar (could do similar thing w/ RPI). Some of those low-200 to 300 teams couldn't get any worse this year, I would assume.

    I wouldn't call the non-conference "laughable at best" the way the BR feature describes. It's missing any marquee game, as you said, but also isn't wall-to-wall pushovers. One road game and four neutral provides some challenge (although two of those five examples are still in-state) and there are five power-6 opponents.


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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    It'll be nice, if and when, we get in that rotation of top ten schools that play an unofficial and incomplete but still fun round robin with each other soon (Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Arizona, UNC, Michigan St., etc.). Not there yet, certainly, but it would just be fun to watch that level of competition and toughen the team before B12 play, even if we lose a few games, plus the crazy strength of schedule from it.



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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigmapolis View Post
    It'll be nice, if and when, we get in that rotation of top ten schools that play an unofficial and incomplete but still fun round robin with each other soon (Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Arizona, UNC, Michigan St., etc.). Not there yet, certainly, but it would just be fun to watch that level of competition and toughen the team before B12 play, even if we lose a few games, plus the crazy strength of schedule from it.
    I think ISU will remain in the next rung down from that premiere round-robin group even if current level of success stays stable or increases ... might pick up a random game w/ one of those, probably would be in high-level tournaments (which is the next hope of getting high-profile invites consistently).

    Not sure of all teams included in the "second group" -- I'm thinking programs on level of Villanova, Memphis, Gonzaga, Oregon ...


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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by kucyclone View Post
    Other than replacing Michigan with one of the worst teams in D-1 basketball, this year's schedule, I think, is slightly better. Of course, not having that one elite game does make a large impact.

    Here are '13/'14 KenPom rankings of non-conference opponents, side by side, to show what I'm talking about:

    '13/'14 /// '14/'15

    10* /// n/a
    28 /// 28
    53 /// 42**
    79 /// 52
    94 /// 63
    129 /// 92
    137 /// 114
    141 /// 195
    216 /// 200
    217 /// 207
    273 /// 273
    278 /// 342
    n/a /// 347***

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    * - Michigan
    ** - average of Maryland/Arizona State
    *** - Mississippi Valley State
    Iowa State is one of the few teams currently expected to be in the Top 25 that doesn't have a non-con game against another expected Top 25 team.



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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigmapolis View Post
    It'll be nice, if and when, we get in that rotation of top ten schools that play an unofficial and incomplete but still fun round robin with each other soon (Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Arizona, UNC, Michigan St., etc.). Not there yet, certainly, but it would just be fun to watch that level of competition and toughen the team before B12 play, even if we lose a few games, plus the crazy strength of schedule from it.
    Are you talking about the Champions Classic between Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan State and Duke?



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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by twocoach View Post
    Iowa State is one of the few teams currently expected to be in the Top 25 that doesn't have a non-con game against another expected Top 25 team.
    Iowa will be top 25 at least during non-con.



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    Re: Predicting the 1st Loss in 2014-15 for Top College Basketball Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by cycfan1 View Post
    Iowa will be top 25 at least during non-con.
    That would really surprise me.



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