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    Re: Leath

    Quote Originally Posted by Angie View Post
    Deaths, injuries, and property damage aren't blood I'd want on my hands, either. Would you? I don't mean that facetiously - could you live with yourself if you said, "Eh, let it go," and there were more murders, more riots? How do you explain that to the families of the people killed/injured/whose property was ruined?

    He's not kicking the dog because the cat peed on the carpet. He's kicking the cat, and the dog just happens to have to also deal with the fallout.
    I have NEVER said "let it go". I have offered suggestions more than once, only to be met with the answer that "veishea is all about the parties, man..." That crowd could have been chanting HERPES HERPES but it wouldn't have made the criminal activities "all about STD's".

    My thoughts:
    Stop the night activities. Work in conjunction with ISU PD and Ames PD to manage the alcohol consumption and massing. Arrest people and make them PAY for the damages. Kick offending students out of school. Change the culture of drinking that permeates the student body...get the students involved in policing themselves. VEISHEA is about the colleges, about attracting donors & potential students with the variety of student activities and classroom disciplines. No matter how many times people say it, VEISHEA is NOT about the drinking. If someone thinks it is, that's on them, not on the organizers of VEISHEA and all of the students involved in the displays and family friendly campus events, who no longer have their celebration because a bunch of lameass drunks can't have fun without getting blottoed.

    I'm done. I'm too ****** to keep commenting. Sorry I ended up blowing up on your post, Angie...I hope you accept my apology.



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    Re: Leath

    Thousands of drunks would disagree. VEISHEA is only about the drinking.


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    Re: Leath

    Another issue was the Ames PD. The fact that they had the same amount of cops working on Tuesday night of Veishea as a normal Tuesday night is just stupid.

    That's like having the same amount of cops for an Iowa State soccer match as you would for the Iowa-Iowa State football game.


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    Re: Leath

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    Another issue was the Ames PD. The fact that they had the same amount of cops working on Tuesday night of Veishea as a normal Tuesday night is just stupid.

    That's like having the same amount of cops for an Iowa State soccer match as you would for the Iowa-Iowa State football game.
    There could have been double the cops that night and they still wouldn't have been able to contain the students from being idiots.



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    Re: Leath

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    Another issue was the Ames PD. The fact that they had the same amount of cops working on Tuesday night of Veishea as a normal Tuesday night is just stupid.

    That's like having the same amount of cops for an Iowa State soccer match as you would for the Iowa-Iowa State football game.
    So you don't see any problem with Ames PD having to increase their presence on a Tuesday night because of a student event?

    A football game is one thing. A Tuesday on the other hand?

    It isn't just about riots. How many people have fallen from balconies to their deaths during VEISHEA recently? How many have shattered their legs jumping between balconies during VEISHEA? How many have been whacked with a phone pole during VEISHEA?

    The death in the elevator shaft at Legacy was a fluke. Why is there some preventable death or tragedy every year during VEISHEA but magically the other 51 weeks of the year it's just alcohol offenses and other petty crap?



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    Re: Leath

    Quote Originally Posted by ImJustKCClone View Post
    I have NEVER said "let it go". I have offered suggestions more than once, only to be met with the answer that "veishea is all about the parties, man..." That crowd could have been chanting HERPES HERPES but it wouldn't have made the criminal activities "all about STD's".

    My thoughts:
    Stop the night activities. Work in conjunction with ISU PD and Ames PD to manage the alcohol consumption and massing. Arrest people and make them PAY for the damages. Kick offending students out of school. Change the culture of drinking that permeates the student body...get the students involved in policing themselves. VEISHEA is about the colleges, about attracting donors & potential students with the variety of student activities and classroom disciplines. No matter how many times people say it, VEISHEA is NOT about the drinking. If someone thinks it is, that's on them, not on the organizers of VEISHEA and all of the students involved in the displays and family friendly campus events, who no longer have their celebration because a bunch of lameass drunks can't have fun without getting blottoed.

    I'm done. I'm too ****** to keep commenting. Sorry I ended up blowing up on your post, Angie...I hope you accept my apology.
    I understand where you're coming from, and it's a very idealistic attitude. I wish that we could fix things like the culture of drinking, and to put the focus back on the colleges. But the VEISHEA threads that started on here prior to that Tuesday night riot showed how that's just not the case among students - there were a lot more references to riots and getting hammered than there were to cherry pies and Stars Over VEISHEA.

    Is there anything intrinsically wrong with partying in college? Of course not, unless you are harming other people or their property.


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    I mentioned in an email to Jaime on an unrelated that I thought Leath mishandled the Bubu situation. JP responded that they did the only right thing as they were privy to "inside information" that was not public. He even used the word immoral which makes me nervous as others are making moral judgements on my behalf. I will decide if and when something is immoral to me! But I suppose it's in their job descriptions.











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    Re: Leath

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonic1 View Post
    I mentioned in an email to Jaime on an unrelated that I thought Leath mishandled the Bubu situation. JP responded that they did the only right thing as they were privy to "inside information" that was not public. He even used the word immoral which makes me nervous as others are making moral judgements on my behalf. I will decide if and when something is immoral to me! But I suppose it's in their job descriptions.
    That's really, really bad that he said that. That is a massive can of worms.



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    Re: Leath

    Quote Originally Posted by ImJustKCClone View Post
    My thoughts:
    Stop the night activities. Work in conjunction with ISU PD and Ames PD to manage the alcohol consumption and massing.
    In a school of 30,000 students plus numerous folks traveling in, alcohol consumption cannot be managed over a longer term event to any meaningful level by the ISU PD and Ames PD.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImJustKCClone View Post
    Arrest people and make them PAY for the damages. Kick offending students out of school.
    Hasn't this been done in the past?

    Quote Originally Posted by ImJustKCClone View Post
    Change the culture of drinking that permeates the student body.
    This is the ultimate solution. IMO, this is a spiritual issue, and our present society doesn't permit its public institutions to meaningfully deal with such things. Hopefully that statement is limited enough to keep this out of the cave.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImJustKCClone View Post
    VEISHEA is about the colleges, about attracting donors & potential students with the variety of student activities and classroom disciplines. No matter how many times people say it, VEISHEA is NOT about the drinking.
    The reality is that VIESHEA is about the drinking for enough of the students to make it a dangerous event, and it has been that way for at least 30 years.


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    Re: Leath

    Quote Originally Posted by Incyte View Post
    He cancelled a University event that nearly resulted in a student death. I can't criticize a man for that.
    Did he come out of his bathroom yet?


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    Re: Leath

    Quote Originally Posted by 501Clone View Post
    I understand he's in a tough situation but does anyone else feel like he is not willing to fight for anything?

    Bubu situation was tough obviously, but he was not willing to give Bubu a second chance at all.

    Now VEISHEA happens which was also unfortunate and he just throws a tradition away that has been around for decades.

    Needs to start fighting for things and not always take the easy way out.

    Yes, I'm frustrated.
    Well, Bubu A. sucked and B. he was involved in an alleged sexual misconduct. are you sticking your neck out for that? I know I sure as hell am not. And if you're making a case for Leath not doing his job, this is about as weak of an argument as possible.

    VEISHEA wasn't just thrown away on a whim. the university has given the students and VEISHEA like 5 or 6 chances over the years. I'm not happy to see an awesome tradition go away, but I also dont want to see incident after incident @ ISU in the news every couple years. If something isnt working, you cant just keep it around because it's always been there.



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    Re: Leath

    Quote Originally Posted by CyBroncos View Post
    I still have yet to see a logical response from the people ****** off about this for options that the powers that be could have taken. Enlighten me
    Because there isn't one. The only option people that want the event to stay can offer is to handle it better. What other options are there?
    Riots are now ingrained into VEISHEA culture. All you have to do to see that is look at the VEISHEA thread on CycloneFanatic for this year. How many posts did it take to start talking about a riot? That is why the event had to be retired.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Me State View Post
    Because there isn't one. The only option people that want the event to stay can offer is to handle it better. What other options are there?
    Madison WI had a history of big "disturbances/riots/call it what you want" on State St. during Halloween. So finally to solve the problem, they fenced the area off, charged admission to come on the grounds, brought in corporate tents and sponsors, had cops everywhere, and "tamed" it. We could have done the same for the 4 block area around Welch Ave., where all the problems are.
    But...no one had the guts to try. It's so much easier to throw up your hands and cancel it...



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    Re: Leath

    Quote Originally Posted by JP4CY View Post
    That's really, really bad that he said that. That is a massive can of worms.
    You would rather he let people continue with the "Bubu is a persecuted saint" b.s.?


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