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    Re: Bill Synder cuts loose

    If CPR said this you guys would be drooling and calling him a saint. But I guess Bill Snyders "get rich quick" scheme of finding the worst job in his field, then hanging around for a few decades in route to that payday is pretty transparent.



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    Re: Bill Synder cuts loose

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    So...you are saying that people within an organization who see problems in that organization should never say anything to bring attention to those problems? How will change be affected if the issues aren't brought to light and discussed?
    It'd be like Snowden saying the stuff he did, and nothing changing(because let's be honest nothing in the NCAA is going to change) and then continuing to work at the NSA.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbuk View Post
    It'd be like Snowden saying the stuff he did, and nothing changing(because let's be honest nothing in the NCAA is going to change) and then continuing to work at the NSA.
    99% of the time I agree with Rabbuk and I have had my share of disagreement with JBH...but I agree with him here.

    Where I see it most often is taxes. Some politician will advocate for a tax increase...and people act as if he's a hypocrite if he just doesn't hand over more taxes voluntarily. The person thinks it's better overall for a huge part of society to contribute more tax dollars and would gladly be part of that but not as a generally meaningless individual token donation, doesn't make them a hypocrite at all to think that way.

    With Snyder I don't think he was some leader or cause of skyrocketing coaches pay, I do think he was perhaps a leader in the 'do anything to get athletes to campus regardless of the type of student they are'...but even then he's acting within the rules and wouldn't be a hypocrite if he wanted to change the very rule he was taking advantage of.



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    Re: Bill Synder cuts loose

    I've been thinking about this quite abit.

    Theoretically, there is a limited amount of talent available for College football. With these new rules, the big 5 conferences will have a HUGE advantage to recruit these kids as they will be able to pay a 'Stipend'. From a selfish point of view, that means that recruits that we were competing with for the old big East schools, or the old CUSA schools will have no chance to beat us out on the recruiting trail.

    ISU may get pummelled in the recruiting wars by the traditional powers, but we will inevitably be getting higher quality recruits relative than we were because any school outside the power 5 won't have much of a chance.

    This ultimately will mean that there should be much better parity among the power 5 conferences, BUT...at the expense of a much lower product for non-power 5 football schools. Is this good for CFB? I don't think so. I feel terrible for the UCONNs, and the Cincinatti's, and the Boise States. Its crazy.



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    Re: Bill Synder cuts loose

    Quote Originally Posted by heitclone View Post
    If CPR said this you guys would be drooling and calling him a saint. But I guess Bill Snyders "get rich quick" scheme of finding the worst job in his field, then hanging around for a few decades in route to that payday is pretty transparent.
    No, I would call him out as a hypocrite, because that is what he would be. Absolutely no one has benefited from the cash cow that college athletics are than the coaches.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tzjung View Post
    I've been thinking about this quite abit.

    Theoretically, there is a limited amount of talent available for College football. With these new rules, the big 5 conferences will have a HUGE advantage to recruit these kids as they will be able to pay a 'Stipend'. From a selfish point of view, that means that recruits that we were competing with for the old big East schools, or the old CUSA schools will have no chance to beat us out on the recruiting trail.

    ISU may get pummelled in the recruiting wars by the traditional powers, but we will inevitably be getting higher quality recruits relative than we were because any school outside the power 5 won't have much of a chance.

    This ultimately will mean that there should be much better parity among the power 5 conferences, BUT...at the expense of a much lower product for non-power 5 football schools. Is this good for CFB? I don't think so. I feel terrible for the UCONNs, and the Cincinatti's, and the Boise States. Its crazy.
    Yeah, it will be a second round of what happened when scholarship #s were reduced. The traditional powers will certainly get a boost, but there will be an 'all ships rise' effect for schools like ISU as well at the expense of MWC, AAC, and CUSA teams.



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    Re: Bill Synder cuts loose

    MSNBC panel this morning on this topic. 21 Div I programs now make a profit including Texas ($165M) and Alabama ($143M). Obviously the real money is going to coaches and better buildings. If you choose to pay athletes more, the choice swings to schools with bigger bucks/pockets. My guess is UT will have paid athletes in all sports and ISU will drop some sports to match the football and basketball crowd. Only bball and fball make a profit for the rest of the sports. Expect more club sports with wonderful already built facilities. Sports then in jeopardy might be wrestling, men's track, mens swimming, men's golf, etc. to counterbalance the football scholarships per Title XI. Womens bball, womens vball, womens track, womens gymnastics, women's swimming would survive as few scholarships are involved compared to 85 in fball.


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    What was Skelator supposed to do? Turn down a pay raise because its against his morals?

    Anyone who said yes to this question needs to get off their high horse.



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    Re: Bill Synder cuts loose

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    MSNBC panel this morning on this topic. 21 Div I programs now make a profit including Texas ($165M) and Alabama ($143M). Obviously the real money is going to coaches and better buildings. If you choose to pay athletes more, the choice swings to schools with bigger bucks/pockets. My guess is UT will have paid athletes in all sports and ISU will drop some sports to match the football and basketball crowd. Only bball and fball make a profit for the rest of the sports. Expect more club sports with wonderful already built facilities. Sports then in jeopardy might be wrestling, men's track, mens swimming, men's golf, etc. to counterbalance the football scholarships per Title XI. Womens bball, womens vball, womens track, womens gymnastics, women's swimming would survive as few scholarships are involved compared to 85 in fball.
    That's nice, but you might want to read the thread. This is not a thread about the effects of paying players.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidoosh View Post
    What was Skelator supposed to do? Turn down a pay raise because its against his morals?

    Anyone who said yes to this question needs to get off their high horse.
    Absolutely. You shouldn't work at a place you disagree with morally.



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    Re: Bill Synder cuts loose

    I agree with Coach and what better person to point out the flaws of the system. Just because one is in the system, doesn't mean they can't offer their constructive criticism or opinions for improvement.


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    Re: Bill Synder cuts loose

    I thought it was interesting that Bill Snyder commented on athletics not being about education anymore?

    I didn't know it was ever about education for all those Jucos he signed over the years...



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    Re: Bill Synder cuts loose

    Quote Originally Posted by Skidoosh View Post
    What was Skelator supposed to do? Turn down a pay raise because its against his morals?

    Anyone who said yes to this question needs to get off their high horse.
    Bill Snyder I'm sure at any point could threaten retirement to double his salary and succeed.

    I'm not sure how low his salary would have to be before he can lament that he is overpaid without being criticized,



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    Re: Bill Synder cuts loose

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue52 View Post
    I thought it was interesting that Bill Snyder commented on athletics not being about education anymore?

    I didn't know it was ever about education for all those Jucos he signed over the years...
    That seems obvious to me too. The idea that he's quite possibly the best coach and should work for 80k a year while his inferiors make millions a year seems pretty irrational. He can criticize the pay rate and $ involved without making 1% of what others make for doing a worse job.



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