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    Re: Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    I think that, in retrospect, it is clear that a big chunk of the blame lies on contraints from Rhoads. But Herman's problems here weren't just a case of lack of talent. He was unable to utilize the talent he had available and play to their strengths. He was calling plays as if he had five star talent out there rather than calling plays that recognized who was on the field. It is super easy for him to succeed at Ohio State. He's got a soft schedule, top tier recruits, and Urban Meyer. Half of the posters on this board could win 10 games with the situation Hermann has at Ohio State.
    I think part of it also was that it may have been the first time he had encountered adversity as a football coach and he had a difficult time adjusting to it in the time frame he was allowed and conveying the adjustments in his coaching style and gameplanning to the players.

    Really a sticky situation, but one I think he would have figured out if he had been here longer.



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    Re: Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Architect View Post
    Held back by lack of offensive talent. He had better talent at Rice than he did at ISU.
    Agree although Rice's competition was no where near what ISU faced while Herman was in Ames.

    The notion by many here that Herman was somehow constriained by CPR with playcalling, diversity, etc. is ridiculous.



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    Re: Tom Herman

    I was never real impressed with Herman's offense here. But then with arguably better players, Mess went down in flames, and TH did well at Ohio St. But then again, I could have been the OC under Urban Meyer in the Big 10 with Braxton Miller and done pretty well



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    Re: Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by Drive4cy View Post
    Herman was held back during his time @ Iowa State. I think we all understand that. I sincerely hope CPR won't do the same to Mangino.
    Lol no he wasn't held down by CPR. Regardless, he's a heck of a coach, intelligent individual, but can't say I respect a few things he did at Iowa state outside of football.



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    Re: Tom Herman

    Didn't CPR say something to the effect that he would let go more of the Offense either with Mess or Herman?


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    Re: Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by CEO View Post
    2 things I know about Tom Herman;

    1. He likes to drink. He got plowed at the last Coach's Cook Off he attended.
    2. He has a hot wife.
    "Hot wife" and "Get plowed," two terms that shouldn't co-exist in the same post on a family-friendly site.



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    Re: Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    "Hot wife" and "Get plowed," two terms that shouldn't co-exist in the same post on a family-friendly site.



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    Re: Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    But Herman's problems here weren't just a case of lack of talent. He was unable to utilize the talent he had available and play to their strengths.
    This is spot on!

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    He was calling plays as if he had five star talent out there rather than calling plays that recognized who was on the field. It is super easy for him to succeed at Ohio State. He's got a soft schedule, top tier recruits, and Urban Meyer. Half of the posters on this board could win 10 games with the situation Hermann has at Ohio State.
    I don't know if Herman was necessarily calling plays for 5* talent, but he wasn't running an offense that could take advantage of the players he had at ISU. The significant drop in offensive output in Herman's first year compared to the offense of the prior year despite having nearly the same personnel, and lack of improvement in his subsequent years is a pretty clear indicator of this.

    Herman is certainly one of the hot names right now for head coaching vacancies. Hopefully he learned something about utilizing his players' skills during his time at ISU. Depending on where he takes that first head coaching job, it could mean the difference between success and failure for him.


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    Re: Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by keepngoal View Post
    No one EVER implied it was reality....... From where are you getting that thought?
    simmer down. My read of post #15 in this thread, for example. Btw. I'm trying to agree with you.



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    Re: Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by GWad View Post
    exactly,... and it's not the reality
    I'm completely guessing. I would be interested to see how the "chain of command" looks now, with MM around, as opposed to how it worked with the previous two coordinators. If somebody knows?

    Didn't Mangino make a joke about locking Rhoads out of the offense planning meetings?



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    Re: Tom Herman

    It's funny how a few years away from the program turns a guy who many on here thought was a terrible playcaller and couldn't develop QB's into a cult hero. Selective memory runs rampant on this board.



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    Re: Tom Herman

    I actually thought that he was a bad coach. QBs never got better under him. Heck, Arnaud had his best year under McFarland. Herman also had the tendency to get too cute trying to trick people. Once in awhile, it worked out. Most times, he should have been more willing to do what everyone thought he should/would and make the opponent stop it. The guy thinks he's smarter than everyone else and seemed hellbent on proving it instead of just relying on the guys he's coaching to make the play. No idea how he ended up on Urban's staff, but I can guarantee that if he gets a BCS job, he will flop big time.



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    Re: Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbuk View Post
    The Big 12 schools that could potentially have openings -- Kansas, Iowa State or West Virginia -- would be wise to keep Hermanís cell phone number handy
    sorry didn't know it was insider.
    So, you think that ISU could turn around enough this season that CPR gets big school or NFL offers? Even so, I don't think he's going anywhere.




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    Re: Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by CurvedAir View Post
    It's funny how a few years away from the program turns a guy who many on here thought was a terrible playcaller and couldn't develop QB's into a cult hero. Selective memory runs rampant on this board.

    I wouldn't say cult hero, but when a guy has been successful at every place he's been except one, maybe Herm wasn't the problem. (and yes, a lot of people could be successful with the talent under him and the coach over him like he's got at OSU, so I'm no denying that) On the flip side, and corroborating that...when he left and our offense still stunk...maybe Herm wasn't the problem.

    I will say, though, that there is something to his scheme needing the right talent and he didn't adjust it well for what we had. I think MM can do better on that, he didn't start with blue chippers at KU.

    I do think, though, that after his success at OSU and our continuing to languish in the doldrums on offense, "Herman is a crappy coach" has softened in some people to a "his style didn't fit here and there were/are other problems outside of Herman." And, perhaps, even "He didn't fit here, but he's sure done well everywhere else he's been"



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    Re: Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    So, you think that ISU could turn around enough this season that CPR gets big school or NFL offers? Even so, I don't think he's going anywhere.

    I...I don't think that was the direction he was headed with that.....



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