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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    In-State rivals are over rated. Is Texas or A&M suffering after their rivalry ended?



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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    Quote Originally Posted by roundball View Post
    Hasn't the difficulty of our schedule helped with bowl placement? Aren't the Insight, Pinstripe, and Liberty bowls fairly good for a 6-6 team? Would we have been put in the Famous Potato bowl or not been invited at all if we had a softer schedule, like Iowa in 2007, with a significantly weaker schedule?
    SOS has absolutely nothing to do with bowl placement.



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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    This is one topic where when it turns to Iowa it's for a rational reason, and just wait until Iowa goes to 9 conference games. Cruising their sites it seems like a majority of fans would favor the game going to 2 on, 2 off after the current contract. It does seem like a logical way to help solve all the problems while keeping what's best about the series.

    Iowa fans will realize what kind of schedule ISU has been playing the first time they get a 9 game schedule that includes Michigan, OSU, Penn St, Nebraska and Wisconsin. Imagine if they had a #2 SOS a few years ago like ISU did instead of their typical 40s, we'd never hear the end of it about how tough their league is.

    Some kind of regular rotation, every other year or 2 on, 2 off. Look at international soccer, there's the world cup, year off, euro cup, year off, world cup. The local fans and rivalry might even get MORE intense if they took a year or two off.



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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycopath View Post
    In-State rivals are over rated. Is Texas or A&M suffering after their rivalry ended?



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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    The thing is, when 90% of the Big 12 is playing a power 5 team in the non-conference, you probably should be following suit. Look at the other teams the Big 12 is playing in the non-con. You could make an argument that Iowa is in the bottom 3 or 4 of talent. Off the top of my head, those teams include Iowa, Auburn, Duke, Tennessee, Florida State, Maryland, UCLA, Arkansas and Minnesota.
    If we want to be successful, we need wins. K-State didn't become successful by playing power conference foes in the beginning. They loaded up on patsies in the non-con and managed to rack up wins. With more wins, came better players. With better players, then came the ability to beat better teams. It's a moot point because the Iowa game isn't going anywhere, but I wouldn't mind seeing it go away in favor of a sure-fire win.


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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUKyro View Post
    I think his (and my feeling) is that if you take a step back from it. We gain nothing special from the win that any other win wouldn't do for us.

    Sure you can thump your chest at the water cooler and make fun of your neighbor.

    But we just have too many fans that are ok with beating Iowa then finishing the season with maybe 3 wins and they couldn't be more happy.
    True but I still think there are greater dividends than thumping your chest when ISU wins. I don't know how you can quantify it but it has to help with recruiting, AD donations, sponsorships, etc.



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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    Quote Originally Posted by roundball View Post
    Hasn't the difficulty of our schedule helped with bowl placement? Aren't the Insight, Pinstripe, and Liberty bowls fairly good for a 6-6 team? Would we have been put in the Famous Potato bowl or not been invited at all if we had a softer schedule, like Iowa in 2007, with a significantly weaker schedule?
    Much harder to get to 6-6 playing Iowa. We could still make those bowl games if we schedule bottom feeders in the FCS or crappy teams in the power five conferences.



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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    The 9th conference game has basically eliminated a game at Utah ('11), a H/H with Air Force ('13/'14), and a 2-for-1 with Western Kentucky ('12/'14/'15), and more or less caused a H/H with Navy ('18/'19) to be replaced by a H/H with Akron.



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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    Quote Originally Posted by awd4cy View Post
    SOS has absolutely nothing to do with bowl placement.
    But it has a ton to do with the difference between a 5-7 year and a 6-6 year...but if ISU fans have the correct goal it should be to move beyond the quest to get 6 wins whether it's with our average #15 SOS or manipulating a cake non-conf to get a #30 SOS (which is the lowest our SOS will ever be in this B12, just watch, Baylor will still have a top 25-35 SOS).



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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnhicks03 View Post
    If we want to be successful, we need wins. K-State didn't become successful by playing power conference foes in the beginning. They loaded up on patsies in the non-con and managed to rack up wins. With more wins, came better players. With better players, then came the ability to beat better teams. It's a moot point because the Iowa game isn't going anywhere, but I wouldn't mind seeing it go away in favor of a sure-fire win.
    The truth is the media and fans of other teams are too lazy to ever consider SOS, even AP and coaches poll don't consider it which is why I'm thankful the BCS formula at least used 1/3 computer data. We didn't get any acclaim for going to a bowl with the #2 SOS in 2011.



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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    Quote Originally Posted by mustangcy View Post
    Dump the Iowa game. It's just holding the program back, what benefits it had are now gone and needs to be dropped.
    Make it an every other year game. It has great meaning but for our program the risk reward is out of whack...



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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    Quote Originally Posted by d4nim4l View Post
    I'm one of the biggest BVDV detractors out there, but how exactly is this his fault?

    The one example cited (SJSU) was scheduled by Pollard. The fact we're playing UNI six more times in the next nine years was scheduled by Pollard.

    The headline of the article doesn't match up with its content. Yeah, teams we're playing now were scheduled by Bruce, but the only one that has really bit us was Utah in 2010, and we ended up canceling the second game due to scheduling difficulties for both schools.
    Agreed and same here.

    If we can't beat the likes of the Toledo, UNI, NDSU, San Jose - then we may as well pack it in. Sure - they may be the best for the conferences or level they play in, but we're still supposed to be a Big XII team.

    If we aren't beating that part of our schedule - I blame the current coach, not the guy who put the schedule together 10 yrs back.



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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    I want a non-con schedule like Baylor's every year. Like people say "wins cure everything". Might as well try to guarantee 3 wins per year at least.


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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    Our "luck" in scheduling FCS and MAC/WAC/MWC teams could also be simply not doing deep enough thinking. If the goal is truly to schedule non-major conference teams that are a W, you'd want to pick not just from a major conference but teams that seem to not have an easy path to improvement. NDSU is a little out of nowhere if they were schedule 10+ years ago...but for example

    Utah along with BYU clearly has had the most upside in various iterations of the MWC and WAC.

    Northern Illinois is in a region with a lot of good players, Illinois never can capitalize on it, NW can't even recruit most NIU players, so NIU is just a situation where they are set up to almost always be the best MAC team. They've had 3 coaches in a row who were 'the hottest mid-major coach', a lot of it is just the situation they're in.

    We know UNI is a good FCS program, and add to it they have a ton of motivation vs ISU.

    SDSU/SJSU, other teams that have a ton of potential given their region.

    Should be easy to schedule a bad FCS team, we could easily hit a higher % on bad non-Big 65 teams with a little more deductive reasoning but probably no way to tell for sure on that one a decade out.



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    Re: Blame Bruce for the current football scheduling

    Quote Originally Posted by HFCS View Post
    The truth is the media and fans of other teams are too lazy to ever consider SOS, even AP and coaches poll don't consider it which is why I'm thankful the BCS formula at least used 1/3 computer data. We didn't get any acclaim for going to a bowl with the #2 SOS in 2011.
    This.

    Agree here.



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