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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    I think an argument could be made that Sturdy is more qualified to be our head coach than CPR.



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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Section110 View Post
    Everyone blames Mess for everything! Absolutely no one else had anything to do with the dumpster fire that was last season!
    Is there any one other person more responsible for the offense last year than Messingham? No.



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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by cyhiphopp View Post
    Is there any one other person more responsible for the offense last year than Messingham? No.
    Maybe Rhoads for giving him responsibility in the first place and then not taking it away till the season was over.



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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbuk View Post
    Maybe Rhoads for giving him responsibility in the first place and then not taking it away till the season was over.
    Yes but I think CPRs faith in him was less damning than him just not being good enough at his job.



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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbuk View Post
    Maybe Rhoads for giving him responsibility in the first place and then not taking it away till the season was over.
    Maybe but If you took Mess. out of position then you have to replace him which he was doing 2 spots (QB and Coordinator). It would have made matters worse. Paul was stuck in a rock and a hard place with last season. Very very difficult situation.



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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by WrestlerJJE View Post
    Maybe but If you took Mess. out of position then you have to replace him which he was doing 2 spots (QB and Coordinator). It would have made matters worse. Paul was stuck in a rock and a hard place with last season. Very very difficult situation.
    You kind of have to give him more than one season as well otherwise you get ripped for pulling the trigger too often. I have no doubt that the offense would have been so much better if Herman had stuck around. Even though people like to rip on Herman.


    Now we have one of the better offensive football minds available in Mangino. So pumped.



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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    ****, this kool-aid is really getting me pumped up for this season! Need to get me more kool-aid tonight!!



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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by WrestlerJJE View Post
    ****, this kool-aid is really getting me pumped up for this season! Need to get me more kool-aid tonight!!
    You call bashing on CPR and the rest of our coaches "koolaid"?




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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbuk View Post
    Maybe Rhoads for giving him responsibility in the first place and then not taking it away till the season was over.
    Wasn't someone else calling the plays vs Kansas and WVU?



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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by upstateclone View Post
    Wasn't someone else calling the plays vs Kansas and WVU?
    Rumored but I don't think it was confirmed.

    We sure as hell know the fat man won't be delegating the playcalling any time soon.



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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Section110 View Post
    Everyone blames Mess for everything! Absolutely no one else had anything to do with the dumpster fire that was last season!
    Well, when you lose five games by one possession or less, it's a valid argument. I'm not aware if you saw any of the games, but throwing a WR screen on 3rd and 16 doesn't help out chances.



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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by cyhiphopp View Post
    You kind of have to give him more than one season as well otherwise you get ripped for pulling the trigger too often. I have no doubt that the offense would have been so much better if Herman had stuck around. Even though people like to rip on Herman.


    Now we have one of the better offensive football minds available in Mangino. So pumped.
    To date, the big upsets left with Herman.
    They should likely come back with Mangino.


    Since we are an elite team now, let's go get that One Cyclone Moment.
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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by cyhiphopp View Post
    Is there any one other person more responsible for the offense last year than Messingham? No.
    Look, all anyone on here really knows is that the offense was garbage last year. No one knows exactly what went down. Was Mess good? No obviously he struggled mightily, but Rhoads put him in that position. No one knows how much Rhoads meddled in Mess's decision making either. From what I've heard Rhoads was asking Mess to run someone else's system (Herman's I'm assuming). That's a little odd in and of itself. As you can see with Mangino, Rhoads is allowing him to install his system. I don't think it's fair to Mess to blame everything on him when it doesn't sound like he was allowed to be "the man" like Mangino is being allowed to do. I think Rhoads, and the rest of the coaching staff, understood that he needs to bring someone in at OC who knows what he's doing and he needs to stay the heck out of it.

    The other thing that is well known is that Rhoads publicly threw his offensive staff under the bus. Whether or not they deserved it I don't think that's the right way to go about things as a head coach. It's a divisive tactic.

    So was what we saw last year Mess's fault? Sure he was partly responsible because he was the OC, but it's tough to tell how much blame you can put on him. He was certainly the fall guy. I think the truth is that Rhoads was just as responsible, if not more so, but because he was the head coach he was able to make the decision on how to move forward. He made a great hire in Mangino and it appears he's taking a step back away from the offense. I give him credit for that, but I'll stand by the fact it seems as though many Cyclone fans have chosen to blame everything on Mess. I just don't think that's accurate or fair.


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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Section110 View Post
    Everyone blames Mess for everything! Absolutely no one else had anything to do with the dumpster fire that was last season!
    Is Messingham the only one to blame? Absolutely not. But was he the biggest issue of them all? Yes. That is why everyone puts most of the blame on him.

    Biggest issue last season: the offense as a whole. Guess who was in control of that. Messingham.

    Second biggest issue last season: play calling. Guess who was in control of that. Messingham.

    Third biggest issue last season: poor offensive line blocking scheme and (what some people say are forced) injuries. Messingham allowed Klenakis to run the offensive line scheme which didn't blend with the poor play calling. Klenakis ran the offensive linemen into the ground and was a poor fit. Messingham gets a slight pass on this although it all happened under his watch.

    Fourth biggest issue: Quarterback play. Guess who was the QB coach. Messingham.

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    Re: Good Idea to put Todd Sturdy as QB coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbuk View Post
    I think an argument could be made that Sturdy is more qualified to be our head coach than CPR.
    Man, I am curious as to how someone could make that argument.



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