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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    This type of argument seems bad. Different levels of competition.



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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    Quote Originally Posted by CascadeClone View Post
    Unfortunately. A random number generator and/or dart-throwing baboon would have been more effective.
    Sadly, there was many a game last season that I would have liked to bring out the dart-throwing baboon. Even with a poster board sized playbook that the other team's defense could read after the baboon's dart hit its mark, we could have potentially been better off. Then again, throwing darts into a playbook riddled with screen passes might not have been any better...


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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    Quote Originally Posted by mtowncyclone13 View Post
    I understand your point but...

    CPR says there are only 8 or so D1 players each year from our state and the OP 's point is that we don't need to obsessively recruit Texas and Florida to find good players. There are good players around if we can mold them to suit our needs it may benefit us more than spending so much time down south.
    If that is the point that the OP is trying to make, then the OP's point is just flat out wrong.

    ADJP somewhat discussed this yesterday in the KXNO podcast. Because of their close proximity to the talent pool, the walk-ons that the likes of UT, OU, OSU, TTU, TCU, and BU get are such that most can play some Big 12 minutes immediately. At a minimum, just to keep from falling any further behind, ISU needs to recruit at least the same caliber as those aforementioned walk-ons. To make improvements, ISU needs to recruit talent better than those walk-ons.

    If ISU went to a model where they focused on recruiting "moldable" players (players that need 1-2 years of development before they can play Big 12 minutes), ISU would quickly become completely uncompetitive. The team depth would be devastated relative to ISU's Big 12 peers.

    The notion that ISU should stop spending recruiting time "down south" pursuing Big 12-ready players and concentrate on recruiting and molding the local talent into Big 12 caliber is nonsensical.


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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    The OP's point is just flat out wrong.

    ADJP somewhat discussed this yesterday in the KXNO podcast. Because of their close proximity to the talent pool, the walk-ons that the likes of UT, OU, OSU, TTU, TCU, and BU get are such that most can play some Big 12 minutes immediately. At a minimum, just to keep from falling any further behind, ISU needs to recruit at least the same caliber as those aforementioned walk-ons. To make improvements, ISU needs to recruit talent better than those walk-ons.

    If ISU went to a model where they focused on recruiting "moldable" players (players that need 1-2 years of development before they can play Big 12 minutes), ISU would quickly become completely uncompetitive. The team depth would be devastated relative to ISU's Big 12 peers.

    The notion that ISU should stop spending recruiting time "down south" pursuing Big 12-ready players and concentrate on recruiting and molding the local talent into Big 12 caliber is nonsensical.

    The talent pool in a state like Texas is ridiculous compared to some of the Midwest states. And every big school in the country is going after the top Texas recruits. The three star players from Texas would beat the crap out of 90% of the top talent in Iowa ever year.

    NDSU has had success lately. A senior laden team who's had solid coaching for their entire careers has a chance to beat a more physically talented team who is not focused, has inexperienced young players, or has issues with their coaching staff **cough Messingham cough**. Day in, day out in a conference like the Big 12? NDSU would be crushed on a regular basis. They might be able to compete with MAC teams but I still think that's a stretch.



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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    Quote Originally Posted by cyhiphopp View Post
    The talent pool in a state like Texas is ridiculous compared to some of the Midwest states. And every big school in the country is going after the top Texas recruits. The three star players from Texas would beat the crap out of 90% of the top talent in Iowa ever year.

    NDSU has had success lately. A senior laden team who's had solid coaching for their entire careers has a chance to beat a more physically talented team who is not focused, has inexperienced young players, or has issues with their coaching staff **cough Messingham cough**. Day in, day out in a conference like the Big 12? NDSU would be crushed on a regular basis. They might be able to compete with MAC teams but I still think that's a stretch.
    What is the deal with 90%? it seems to be the preferred percentage for this thread. I agree that the OP is 90% wrong. As TCU showed us, getting up for a couple of big games a year is a different animal than trying to compete in a power conference with a 9 game schedule.



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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    Quote Originally Posted by GTO View Post
    What is the deal with 90%? it seems to be the preferred percentage for this thread. I agree that the OP is 90% wrong. As TCU showed us, getting up for a couple of big games a year is a different animal than trying to compete in a power conference with a 9 game schedule.
    TCU even has a very good coach, huge recruiting advantages, and some solid talent. Unfortunately they've shown that some of that talent went to TCU over the big boys for a reason. A lot of troublemakers.



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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    I'll agree that ISU has needed to improve evaluation and maybe even development. There are plenty of players at UNI and NDSU that could contribute at ISU. And ISU could have gotten any of those players if they had offered. That said, it's a lot easier to play 1-2 BCS teams early on and then go into a MVC schedule than face the grind that is the B12. If NDSU was in our conference, they wouldn't have fared a lot better, no matter how good their team is in 1AA.



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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    Quote Originally Posted by awd4cy View Post
    Our 2012 and 2013 teams were better. NDSU wouldn't have reached 6 wins either of those years. Last year is a different story though.
    Pssst.....last year was 2013.



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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    Quote Originally Posted by cyrocksmypants View Post
    Pssst.....last year was 2013.
    My bad. You know what I meant.



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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    Quote Originally Posted by SCarolinaCy View Post
    By all accounts, NDSU for the past several years has fielded a football team that is equal to or better than ISU.

    The Bison are the current three-time defending NCAA Division I-FCS National Champions and have a 43-2 record since the start of 2011, the best record in all of Division I Football during that time frame.

    The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players coming from the upper midwestern states, in the heart of ISU's backyard. There's a lot to be said for choosing hometown players.
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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    Quote Originally Posted by CascadeClone View Post
    Unfortunately. A random number generator and/or dart-throwing baboon would have been more effective.
    Hmm... Not sure if this is in reference to Messingham or the OP...


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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    Looks as though the post history function is mostly doing its job. OP needs to watch how twocoach does it.



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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    I cant wait for the NDSU game to be over. Talking about that team and that game is getting very old


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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    I still think the Texas game completely tore us a new one. If the refs made the right call, I think we could've gone on to win a few more games than we did.


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    Re: The remarkable fact is that they have done so with 90% of their players

    You mean to tell me we have a dart throwing baboon and never once thought to use him/her. I guessing it must be some sort of NCAA violation.



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