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    Re: Help with state law question

    Are teachers contract employees? If so, I assume their contract may specify.


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    Re: Help with state law question

    Quote Originally Posted by mtowncyclone13 View Post
    An elementary music teacher friend told me Iowa law prohibits music educators to give private lessons to their own students or students within their jurisdiction. Since I try and find the source for most everything (I am great at trivia but terrible at chit-chatting because of this) I immediately looked in the Iowa Code but couldn't find anything.

    Does anyone know about this or could help me find this section of law?
    Sounds like someone is making **** up. I know TONS of teachers who give private lessons and yes to their own students.



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    Re: Help with state law question

    That's my point. She was told this. If I was told this as a teacher I would ask to see the specific code section.


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    Re: Help with state law question

    Quote Originally Posted by ruxCYtable View Post
    Sounds like someone is making **** up. I know TONS of teachers who give private lessons and yes to their own students.

    I know at least in IL there was nothing in our district about it. Now if only private lesson students got parts, that would be something else. If our director thought you needed more practice for a school function and you weren't a private student, she'd just have you come back during study hall.


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    Re: Help with state law question

    It would be district by district, and not a state law (I think). Check your local school board policies first, probably under the Certified Employee section.

    For instance, in my local district: "Licensed employees may only tutor students other than those for whom the teacher is currently exercising teaching, administrative or supervisory responsibility unless approved by the superintendent." (Emphasis mine)


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    Re: Help with state law question

    Something like this would never be in the Iowa Code. Unless some constituent somewhere really made a big deal out of it and a bill got before the general assembly (and passed obviously). Almost always things like this are either done in rulemaking at the administrative level or handled at the local level if action hasn't been taken at the state agency level.
    Quote Originally Posted by mtowncyclone13 View Post
    That's my point. She was told this. If I was told this as a teacher I would ask to see the specific code section.


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    Re: Help with state law question

    All the 5th grade band students (going into 6th grade) were offered optional summer band lessons taught by the middle school band instructor (who will be their teacher once school starts). I see checks were to be written to the district so I wonder if she gets some sort of stipend from the school, which would probably be written into her contract.



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    Re: Help with state law question

    Quote Originally Posted by mganzeveld View Post
    The closest thing on the Board of Educational Examiners site I could find to this issue would be under Iowa code 282–26.3(272) Responsibilities. 6. The educator shall not use professional relationships with students for private advantage.
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    The difference among school districts may be in how much an administration wants to enforce it.

    While this is different than a school district, at the state agency where I work I need to annually fill out a conflict of interest form that lists anything I may be doing, as well as immediate family, that may constitute a conflict of interest. I have been asked to participate in an internal investigation of a staffer that had a side business making and selling a item that was needed by the business he inspected as part of his job. It is not a good situation to put your self in a position where you are profiting on the side from something that you can push in your work role.


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    Re: Help with state law question

    I know high school athletic coaches can't coach their players in the offseason, so maybe it's the same thing since bands can be in competitions.


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    Re: Help with state law question

    http://www.boee.iowa.gov/about_us/bo...2013Packet.pdf
    "Oscar Ortiz received calls from band directors regarding private lessons and being paid and referred them to the BOEE. Darcy Lane responded that she has received some calls. Ms. Bussanmas indicated that this came before the Board previously regarding tutoring in general. The Board never really movedforward with any action that would
    prohibit it. Currently, there is only the solicitation, not just tutoring in general. Mr.Magee suggested approaching the Music Teachers Association regarding this matter. Mr. Magee also stated that the local districts should have policies in place as well. Ms. Lane will have conversations with people, gather information and bring it back to the Board."



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    Re: Help with state law question

    I know of one metro area music/vocal teacher that does lessons on the side for extra cash.



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    Re: Help with state law question

    Quote Originally Posted by mtowncyclone13 View Post
    An elementary music teacher friend told me Iowa law prohibits music educators to give private lessons to their own students or students within their jurisdiction. Since I try and find the source for most everything (I am great at trivia but terrible at chit-chatting because of this) I immediately looked in the Iowa Code but couldn't find anything.

    Does anyone know about this or could help me find this section of law?
    Probably more like school policy. From a liability standpoint it makes sense.



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    Re: Help with state law question

    I think that is district policy. My wife is a teacher and her district has a policy against tutoring students who will be or just were in your grade - conflict of interest thing. They also have a policy against using the school facility for personal income - if she does tutor, she cannot use the school facility. She has to tutor in our house or at the city library.



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    Re: Help with state law question

    I remember friends in high school taking private band and music lessons from various district teachers. This was at Linn-Mar.



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